Posted on 08/24/2024 6:22:10 AM PDT by TBP
It is absolutely astounding to me that suddenly so many people have forgotten why Roe vs. Wade was unconstitutional from the start.
The federal government, state governments and local governments NEVER had the authority to deny anyone the inherent right to live without due process and equal protections under the law. THAT is why Roe vs. Wade was unconstitutional. Abortion is NOT a "right" for any government in any capacity to grant.
Understand this. Life is a natural right, inherent by the creator and protected by every founding document in our country. As an American, I am a HUGE supporter of state's rights. However, abortion has NEVER been and NEVER will be a state's rights issue. The 10th ammendment turns any notion of such idiocy on its head. "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
The 14th Amendment EXPLICITLY prohibits states from denying anyone the right to live without due process and equal protection under the law. "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
How many unborn babies have you seen get their day in court? They have the right to live and neither you nor your favorite politician can legally or morally take it away from them.
For the record, there was a 14% increase in abortions in the fiscal year following the overturning of Roe. Abortion should never have been given to the states to decide. The states have already made laws regarding murder, they don’t get to make penalty exemptions for those who murder the most vulnerable amongst us. Abortion is illegal, unconstitutional and immoral and I will fight every single day for my state to challenge it in court.
Very simple answer found in the 10th Amendment:
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
While the constitution as ratified defends unborn children as far as I believe, even if it does not, the 14th Amendment does. By fact that the the states have ruled that a fetus in the womb is a person and deserves protection.
How?
States allow the conviction of anyone who kills a pregnant woman with 2 counts of murder. One for the death of the mother, and one for the death of the unborn child.
By their own rulings, they put the question of abortion squarely in the lap of a federal constitutional matter, which means the Supreme Court, must rule that abortion is a violation of said persons 14th Amendment right.
Regardless of the furor such a ruling would create, it is the only ruling the SC can make. We must not allow evil to pursuit just because some will get upset. Otherwise we may as well legalize murder, rape, and pedophilia, because some may get upset if we don’t.
And don’t use “Judeo-Christian in your argument, Torah states unborn ain’t a person.
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Then the Torah is a false message. I’ll refer to Exodus 21.
22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.
23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,
Exodus is in the Torah.
Yet if they found a single-celled oeganism on Phobos, they’d be screaming, “WE FOUND ALIEN LIFE!”
It would be a discovery worth screaming about for certain.
If not, can you be charged with murdering the preborn child?
If it’s not a person, what is it?
10th amendment states rights were also in court. Do I recall right?
I am not disagreeing with you. What I’m saying is that being heavy handed and holier than thou is losing the argument. I’m talking reality here.
We have to be nuanced. First step is to do what Trump is doing. Say it’s a states rights issue and leave it at that. Then...we let time pass...and go further. Or, we can scream from the mountain tops and watch Kamala dance into the White House.
I’d wager that no poster to this thread read Roe v. Wade.
Look, I cannot change what happened, and I do not see the Supreme Court visiting this issue again until long after the election is decided. Thus right now this issue is not going ti effect the election.
That being said, This issue can only be settled by the Supreme Court, and until they correctly settle this, it will fester and become a bigger problem. Sending it back to the states will only create a situation that in time we will be right back where we were before they sent it to the states.
Human nature is such that it always devolves downward in morality, we need a judge to set us straight, and that judge is the constitution. And it will take the Supreme Court to settle it. The constitution inly works as long as the people adjudicating it are moral.
A moral constitution can only survive if it is allowed to protect the most innocent of it’s people and there are none who are more innocent than the unborn.
Why is this important that this gets fixed and fixed soon?
Because God is in the process of replacing the citizens of the West with people who will protect the unborn. The Muslims, and South Americans are the most pro-life people on the planet.
The Muslims are in the process of having 5 to 8 children all the while collecting welfare, and they are watching, and voting to keep abortion legal. That is because they know they won’t murder their children but Americas will.
In some parts of Europe, Muslims out number Europeans, and at the rate we are going in America, by the year 2040, America will be a majority Muslim country.
If you have children or grandchildren, then they will be one day be subjected by a Muslim religion that will change the politics and the SC court to the point that Islamic law will be the law of the land.
We need to end the practice of abortion, before we abort the future of America right into Islamic control. There will never ever be another amendment passed, but the 14th Amendment already works, and it does not need anything but for the majority of 9 judges to fix it.
One day, what is left of a people who love Americans will wonder why the generations before them did not fight harder to secure their freedom.
Actually the TORAH is silent on the particulars, but as far as Jewish tradition was concerned in the old Testament, a child was already 9 Months old when it was born. Thus they were considered already over a year in the first anniversary of their birth.
This is actually one of the problems with nailing the birth year of Jesus when going off historical records and Luke 2:41-52 when Jesus parents lost him when He was 12 at the Temple. Scholars struggle with how Luke figured the age. Luke being Greek may have used Greek years, instead of Jewish traditional years which would change the secular calendar year he was born.
Thus when you consider they counted the time in the womb as the child already growing, it goes without saying that a child in the womb was a living being.
Up to today, in many Asian countries, they still consider a bay to b 9nth old wen they are born. As far as international law they follow Western civilizations rule, but the people in Asian countries still consider old tradition of the birth being the 9th Month of a child’s life.
My first wife was from Thailand, and I had some learning to do when it came to the way she looked at the ae of our children.
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