Best outcome would be a complete dissolution of Moscovia into its separate parts becoming independent countries on their own:
Posted on 01/12/2024 10:18:02 AM PST by davikkm
Despite the U.S. publicly declaring an end to arms supplies to Ukraine, recent events indicate a continued influx of military aid from NATO allies. A plane carrying ammunition from the United States landed in Rzeszow, contradicting official statements. British Prime Minister Rishi Sunak’s surprise visit to Kyiv resulted in the announcement of a substantial £2.5 billion military aid package for Ukraine, with a significant portion earmarked for drones. Concurrently, President Zelensky secures additional military commitments from NATO allies, showcasing ongoing international support for Ukraine.
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Well, first, you should never separate the word "crazy" from the word "Medvedev" by any words other than "as a loon" or similar.
Second, Medvedev's lunacy only reflects that of his boss, RussIa's dictator for the past 24 years, an Old Soviet KGB LtCol., plus "Putin's Brain" alleged, a certain Alexander Dugin.
Together they are driving Russians into a frenzy of revaunchist empire building aggressions.
As for Ukraine, my guess is they'll do just fine, once they've dealt with their larger neighbor.
But, Y.R.M.V.
Well, that settles it then -- between Lavrov and your girlfriend Zakharova, there are no more certain authorities on Earth for predicting the future.
So, I think we should now consider this matter as settled, do you agree?
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Wow!
Perfectly well said!
I have described that as "provoked by weakness", implying, as Trump says, that strong western leadership could have kept Vlad within the confines of Russia's borders.
Possibly there are better terms to describe it, because it's far from unique to Russia and Ukraine.
A new F-16 pilot happily volunteers in Ukraine💪🏽
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Best outcome would be a complete dissolution of Moscovia into its separate parts becoming independent countries on their own:
Brinksmanship continues, but it looks like progress in negotiations for border ideas is being made. Yes it would be a disaster if Russia is able to continue it’s march to reconstitute the old Soviet Union with all it’s satelite countries which have thronged to join NATO.
Imagine if the American First mentality had won out in 1916. What would a German controlled Europe have looked like. WW2 might not have been fought in Europe, but with all the additional population and material production capabilities, perhaps WW2 would have been fought in North America instead.
I have really enjoyed studying the various world maps you have given us in previous comments in this thread.
Recently it was reported that Europe’s contribution to Ukraine has been about 10 $billion more than the US payments. Also recently I saw a video showing RussPian school children reciting propaganda chants ordered into the schools by Herr Putin. They were chanting “Glory to the Soviet Nation.” So Putin is definitely trying to brainwash the upcoming generation to support the old Soviet Union as part of their education. He has even accidently or on purpose referred to his Ukraine venture as “conquest” rather than support for Russian speaking subjugated populations in Ukraine.
“The fools are de-militarizing their countries.”
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Wrong. Quite the contrary is happening!
Thanks to Putin, NATO is now in full expansion mode.
It has been totally revitalized. Europe’s and Americas arms industries are now producing as much as they possibly can!
This is something we havent seen going on since the fall of Communism in Russia (Moscavia).
“Europe can defend themselves. Time people learn that we are not the world’s policemen.”
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Of course, Europe can defend itself. That’s not the issue.
The problem is “IF” Russia somehow succeeds in stealing Ukraine, and then many other European countries... the effect of that would be that America would lose Europe as its mains buyer of Amercian goods and production.
This means the end of Americas economy. America would be drawn into a crisis not seen since the 30’s. The American worker would be the first to suffer.
“”As for their relative morals, approximately :
“85% of Ukrainians are Christians, 12% have no formal religion.
45% of Russians are Christians, 45% have no formal religion.
70% of Americans are Christians, 25% have no formal religion.
So, the moral issue here is clear and beyond serious debate that I can see.””
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Wow, very powerful what you just said.
So... Reality proves that Ukrainians have way more Christians (in percentage) than Russia. Actually, twice as many!!
And Putin dares to hijack the moral high-ground pretending RUSSIA is the most respectful of religion...
Again, he is miserably failing with his botched neo-soviet propaganda.
More evidence for both of you, but apparently it still won't convince either of you because between the two of you, even with help, you cannot see beyond your Pavlov conditioning.
Your evil leader at work around the globe including our home
BroJoeK,
Thank you for this very informative list you sent us : “NATO’s long relationship with Ukraine”.
For good measure, let me add other partnerships and vital agreements:
1994:
Ukraine war: what is the Budapest Memorandum and why has Russia’s invasion torn it up?https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-what-is-the-budapest-memorandum-and-why-has-russias-invasion-torn-it-up-178184
2008:
U.S. Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership
https://ua.usembassy.gov/our-relationship/u-s-ukraine-charter-strategic-partnership/
2021
(UPDATED) U.S. Ukraine Charter on Strategic Partnership
https://ru.usembassy.gov/u-s-ukraine-charter-on-strategic-partnership/
U.S., Ukraine Sign Updated Text To Strategic Partnership Document
https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-us-partnership-russia-security-defense-economy-energy/31556056.html
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I’m reposting BroJoeK’s list here below.
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Ukraine has been a NATO friend & partner since:
1992, Ukraine joined NATO’s North Atlantic Cooperation Council
1994, Ukraine agreement with NATO Partnership for Peace, supporting Central and Eastern European countries to join NATO.
1995, NATO provided medical and engineering help in the Kharkiv Water Disaster.
1997, Ukraine proposed a “special partnership” with NATO in response to Russian threats over Crimea.
1997, a NATO-Ukraine Commission was established.
2002, NATO–Ukraine commission adopted a NATO-Ukraine Action Plan for future membership.
2003 - 2006, Ukrainian military forces served under NATO in Iraq.
2004, Ukraine’s parliament adopted a law on the free access of NATO forces to the territory of Ukraine.
2005, a new stage in Ukraine’s relations with NATO.
US Pres. Bush declared, “I am a supporter of the idea of Ukraine’s membership in NATO”
2005, Ukraine returned to its official goals of membership in NATO and the EU, stating, “Based on the fact that NATO and the EU are the guarantors of security and stability in Europe, Ukraine is preparing for full membership in these organizations.”
2008, US President George W. Bush and both nominees for President of the United States in the 2008 election, U.S. senator Barack Obama and U.S. senator John McCain, did offer backing to Ukraine’s membership of NATO.
2010, NATO and Ukraine continued to cooperate in the framework of the Annual National Program,[74] including joint exercises.[75]
2010, Ukraine’s Pres. Yanukovych stated that he considered Ukraine’s relations with NATO as a partnership, “And Ukraine can’t live without this [partnership], because Ukraine is a large country.”[77]
2014, Ukraine’s government denounced its non-aligned status and made joining NATO a priority.
2015, joint NATO-Ukraine military training exercises in Ukraine involving thousands of troops.
2016, NATO published a summary of the Comprehensive Assistance Package for Ukraine (CAPU) after the Heads of State meeting in Warsaw.
2017, Ukraine’s parliament passed a law making integration with NATO a foreign policy priority.[105]
In July 2017 Poroshenko announced that he would seek the opening of negotiations on a MAP with NATO.
2018, NATO added Ukraine in the list of NATO aspiring members (others including Bosnia and Herzegovina and Georgia).
Ukraine’s parliament passed a National Security bill defining principles of state policy on national security and defense as well as focusing on Ukraine’s integration into the European security, economic and legal system; improvement in mutual relations with other states and eventual membership in EU and NATO.
2019, the Ukrainian parliament voted — 334 out of 385 — to change the Ukrainian constitution to help Ukraine to join NATO and the European Union.[109]
After the vote, Pres. Poroshenko declared: “This is the day when the movement of Ukraine to the European Union and the North Atlantic Alliance will be consolidated in the Constitution as a foreign political landmark.”
2020, Ukraine joined NATO’s enhanced opportunity partner interoperability program.[nb 3][112]
2021, Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the decision taken at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine would become a member of the Alliance with the NATO MAP as an integral part of the process and Ukraine’s right to determine its own future and foreign policy course without outside interference.[10]
Secretary-General Stoltenberg also stressed that Russia will not be able to veto Ukraine’s accession to NATO, as we will not return to the era of spheres of interest, when large countries decide what smaller ones should do:[11]
2021, Ukraine and NATO forces launched joint naval drills in the Black Sea codenamed Sea Breeze 2021.
2023, US President Joe Biden said that Ukraine is not yet ready to join NATO, emphasizing, “I don’t think there is unanimity in NATO about whether or not to bring Ukraine into the NATO family now, at this moment, in the middle of a war.”[167]
Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky believes that the lack of a timeframe poses a setback for Ukraine.
In July 2023, he said, “NATO will give Ukraine security. Ukraine will make the alliance stronger.”[168]
On 8 July 2023, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan announced that his country would fully support Ukraine’s NATO membership.[169]
At NATO’s 2023 Vilnius summit it was decided that Ukraine would no longer be required to participate in a Membership Action Plan before joining the alliance.[170]
Bottom line: since 1992 Ukraine has been NATO’s friend, supporter, partner & ally, with increasingly close ties and so today, Ukraine is just one step short of formal membership in NATO.
We seem to agree on a lot regarding Russia’s war on Ukraine, so I am wondering about this statement about immigration: “The real existential purpose for Democrats is to increase Democrat representations in Congress, in the face of massive population flights from the Big Cities, which are the core of Democrat political power.
Illegal immigrants increase Democrat representation even though they cannot vote.”
If the above quote is correct then why are the governers of Florida and Texas shipping tens of thousands of immigrants to New York, Chicago, and other places? Are they stupid, ignorant, or part of another agenda? Thanks for your generally interesting comments.
You have to turn up the volume.
Or so somebody claimed.
Seems pretty unlikely to me.
Your map is an amusing fantasy, reminds me of Germany at the end of WWII, and would certainly take something just as catastrophic to bring about.
The war-death toll for World Wars One & Two combined is in the 100 million range, and we can easily expect a third such war to take ten times or more lives.
No sane person wants such an outcome, even if it destroys Moscovian Russia.
So it won't happen absent a massive Russian nuclear first strike on Western allies.
How likely is that?
Well, it never happened under the Old Stalinist Soviet Empire, and the Kremlin's current dictator is an Old Soviet KGB LtCol., so I doubt if he is that insane.
On the other hand... might a "Crazy Ivan", Vlad the Invader, believe he can get away with "small" or medium sized "tactical" nukes on Ukraine's battlefields and bigger cities?
Oh, yeah, he might be that crazy.
And how would the West respond?
Probably not with nukes, but possibly massive (but covert) precision strikes on Vlad's military assets especially his navy, air and air-defense forces, along with major transportation and manufacturing centers.
What happens next is anybody's guess but perhaps this time, will "Crazy Ivan" finally decide to commit national suicide by cop (NATO) and take as much of the West down with him as possible?
Or hopefully, will wiser heads prevail and Old KGB-Vlad have an unfortunate accident, sadly breaking his neck in a fall from his penthouse balcony.
The whole world will deeply mourn such a loss, I'm certain.
I've seen a lot of brave talk from Russia about how they are doing just fine economically.
Maybe.
On the other hand, there seem to be an awful lot of Russian citizens freezing in the cold this winter, with burst heating and sewage pipes.
Many otherwise honorable Free Republic supporters have argued the First World War should never have been fought, or if fought, the Germans should have been allowed to win, or as a bare minimum, the USA should have stayed out of it -- "not our war."
My view is there was no realistic way for Europe avoid WWI, or to allow German victory, and that the war's outcomes were highly significant, if far from perfect.
Among other results were the destructions of German, Austrian, Russian and Turkish empires, the weakening of British, French, Dutch and Belgian empires, and the rise of Japan in Asia.
And most significantly, the rise of American power, especially our values which have dominated in the West ever since -- national independence, constitutional self-determination, democratic self-government, international defensive alliances, human rights guarantees including personal liberties, private enterprise, rule of law, etc., etc.
Today these are under increasing challenge by a new "Axis of Evil" intent on restoring the old 1914 World of Empires, and the West seems, for the moment, to be paralyzed with inaction, almost a deer in the headlights' response to claims that, since the post-1945 "Pax Americana" was something less than heavenly, we should now return to the 1914 world of empires and authoritarian dictatorships.
Hopefully, it will not take a major defeat to shake us out of such lethargy.
1910 World of Empires:
Maybe not so much because:
Of all the world's major countries, the USA ranks dead last in percentage of our GDP which depends on foreign trade.
For Some examples:
So I fear your economic argument is not that helpful to Ukraine's cause.
What seems to me the more powerful argument is the Big Picture of threatened returns to Cold War II, the pre-1914 Age of totalitarian empires and the 1930s appeasement policies which encouraged Axis empire aggressions, until they became too powerful to defeat in anything less than a desperate world war with massive war-deaths in the tens of millions.
And so, if somebody responds with, "Oh, but Ukraine is not yet France in 1940, Ukraine is still just Czechoslovakia in 1938, and we can still negotiate for 'Peace For Our Time'", then I rest my case.
So, I can't judge how true your report is, but if, for sake of argument, we assume it basically accurate, then we can still say the following about it:
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