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Medical examiner rules Jordan Neely’s death a homicide after subway choking
New York Post ^ | May 3rd, 2023 | Craig McCarthy, Jack Morphet, Haley Brown and Allie Griffin

Posted on 05/04/2023 9:05:46 AM PDT by shadowlands1960

The city medical examiner has ruled the death of a homeless man choked by a Marine on the subway earlier this week a homicide — as prosecutors mulled whether to pursue charges.

Jordan Neely’s cause of death was “compression of neck (chokehold)” and the manner constituted a homicide, the medical examiner determined Wednesday afternoon.

Neely, 30, was reportedly homeless and having a mental episode onboard an F train in lower Manhattan Monday afternoon when another straphanger jumped in to restrain him, according to police and witness accounts.

The wannabe vigilante, identified as a 24-year-old Marine from Queens, took down Neely from behind and placed him in a chokehold for about 15 minutes, police said.

Neely passed out and when EMS arrived, they were unable to revive him.

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To: shadowlands1960

Neely, 30, was reportedly homeless and having a*** mental episode*** onboard an F train in lower Manhattan Monday afternoon when another straphanger jumped in to restrain him, according to police and witness accounts.

Mental episode????????????


21 posted on 05/04/2023 9:35:33 AM PDT by Vaduz (....)
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To: shadowlands1960

Thank you.


22 posted on 05/04/2023 9:35:50 AM PDT by AuntB (Trump is our Ben Franklin - Brilliant, Boisterous, Brave and ALL AMERICAN!)
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To: Pocketdoor

Exactly. Homicide means killed by a human. He was and he should have been.


23 posted on 05/04/2023 9:35:56 AM PDT by dead (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_vFiUUcBkc)
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To: Leaning Right
I get that the Marine was trying to do what he thought was the right thing. But the homeless guy had not touched anyone yet. Homeless guy probably was saying things that could be interpreted as threatening, but that’s not enough.

Not enough for what?

Menacing in the third degree doesn't require "touching".

One can appropriately defend themselves in that scenario.

24 posted on 05/04/2023 9:38:12 AM PDT by FreeReign
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To: shadowlands1960

Not premeditated or intended. Plus the dynamic of being in a defensive situation in a closed space.

You end up with maybe a low level manslaughter. There’s the x factor of white choked black.


25 posted on 05/04/2023 9:41:41 AM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: lurk

Yes. I doubt they could claim ‘depraved indifference’ as the actions were defensive in nature.


26 posted on 05/04/2023 9:43:33 AM PDT by shadowlands1960 (We live in a world of intolerance masked as tolerance. RUSH LIMBAUGH)
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To: shadowlands1960

Of course it was a “homicide.” That’s not the same as saying he was a victim of a crime. Self-defense, defense of third parties, etc. are “homicides” but they are excused.


27 posted on 05/04/2023 9:45:30 AM PDT by bort
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To: FreeReign

> Not enough for what? <

Not enough for a NYC jury to acquit him.

This happened in NYC. The jury will be made up of assorted liberals, welfare cases, and BLM supporters. The best this Marine can hope for is that there’s a subway rider on the jury. Then maybe it’s a hung jury.


28 posted on 05/04/2023 9:47:38 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Leaning Right

Apparently the guy (Neely) was screaming at the other passengers, saying he didn’t have anything to eat or drink, wanted to go to jail and wasn’t afraid to die. Then started throwing trash at passengers.

Obviously the man didn’t deserve to die for this but given the amount of crime committed on the subway every day by homeless people, and the fact the he stopped the chokehold once Neely stopped struggling, I could see a reasonable jury acquitting the Marine. This will be an interesting case.


29 posted on 05/04/2023 9:47:52 AM PDT by oldskoolwargamer2
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To: shadowlands1960

Ref twitchy thread about NYC crimes on subways:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4150720/posts


30 posted on 05/04/2023 9:50:05 AM PDT by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this? 😕)
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To: Pocketdoor

“Homicide doesn’t mean murder”

Exactly.

homicide
hŏm′ĭ-sīd″, hō′mĭ-
noun
The killing of one person by another, regardless of intention or legality.
A person who kills another person.
A person who kills another; a manslayer.


31 posted on 05/04/2023 9:50:57 AM PDT by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: oldskoolwargamer2

Good post there. You said, “I could see a reasonable jury acquitting the Marine.”

Yep. But as I noted in my post #28, a NYC jury will not be reasonable. Like it or not, this Marine is in serious trouble.

The lesson here is not to just sit and do nothing. The lesson is to stay out of liberal hell-holes, if you can.


32 posted on 05/04/2023 10:03:46 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: shadowlands1960

Let the riots begin. He and his family best go into hiding, if they haven’t already. It’s a shame Go Fund Me would never allow donations for the marine on its page.


33 posted on 05/04/2023 10:04:27 AM PDT by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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To: oldskoolwargamer2

I would never want to be tried by a NY jury. I’m sure it would be worse for a white, heterosexual marine.


34 posted on 05/04/2023 10:06:10 AM PDT by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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To: Leaning Right

Now we will learn the big exception to Bragg’s policy on non-prosecutions, if you get my drift.


35 posted on 05/04/2023 10:24:34 AM PDT by DPMD (ua)
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To: shadowlands1960
As I predicted this morning, ...
"George Floyd, part deux"

36 posted on 05/04/2023 11:26:12 AM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: peggybac

It’s interesting actually. I use the comments section on various articles on the NYT Intelligencer to try and determine the extreme liberal mindset on any given issue and/or event. There were actually a few commenters on an article on this that were in support of the marine. So maybe he would have a chance, I don’t know.


37 posted on 05/04/2023 12:00:40 PM PDT by oldskoolwargamer2
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To: shadowlands1960
The wannabe vigilante

So this is what they're now calling men who step up and act like men. Great. Expect more men (and women) to turn their backs on innocent people who need to be rescued from the evil lunatics in our society.


38 posted on 05/04/2023 12:49:54 PM PDT by Cinnamontea
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To: Leaning Right
The best this Marine can hope for is that there’s a subway rider on the jury. Then maybe it’s a hung jury.

Subway rider on the jury?

There are over 1 billion NYC subway rides per year. Maybe they can ride one.

39 posted on 05/04/2023 1:06:58 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Leaning Right
But the homeless guy had not touched anyone yet. Homeless guy probably was saying things that could be interpreted as threatening, but that’s not enough.

Not really leaning are you?

40 posted on 05/04/2023 3:49:52 PM PDT by itsahoot (Many Republicans are secretly Democrats, no Democrats are secretly Republicans. Dan Bongino.)
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