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Top economist Mohamed El-Erian says unlimited deposit guarantee is hard to reverse after SVB fallout: ‘We are now in a different world’
Fortune ^ | 3/14/23

Posted on 03/14/2023 4:00:47 AM PDT by EBH

Many people have described the emergency measures as a bailout and say that they mark a major shift in how the federal government deals with banking crises. Until now, only deposits up to $250,000 were insured under federal law. But the Sunday decision by regulators will protect all deposits made at SVB and crypto-heavy Signature Bank, which regulators wound down on Sunday, to avoid “system risk.”

“We’ve changed the system,” economist Mohamed El-Erian, president of Queens’ College at the University of Cambridge, told CNBC’s Squawk Box on Monday. He also echoed Roger Altman, founder of investment bank advisory firm Evercore, that “we are now in a different world.”

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To: MCF
Someone else pointed out that the bonuses for 2022 have to be paid out by March 15th in order for the company to deduct them as a 2022 expense on its corporate tax return.

The SVB bonuses were paid out last Friday because it was the company’s last payroll run before the 15th.

21 posted on 03/14/2023 5:41:07 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: EBH

The FDIC is probably way undercapitalized.

The federal government is kicking the bundle of dynamite down the road.


22 posted on 03/14/2023 5:45:23 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: EBH

https://fortune.com/2023/03/10/svb-collapse-fdic-takeover-martin-gruenberg-620-billion-hole-banks-balance-sheet/


23 posted on 03/14/2023 5:49:58 AM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Alberta's Child

“If a bank’s business customer has to worry about the $250,000 FDIC cap, much of the nation’s economy is going to grind to a halt.”

This is true—but why was this not the case in earlier large bank runs and closures?

What folks are missing is what is different this time and why the Feds had to act.

The sharp investors know what is different this time....

The entire world economy is vastly over-leveraged and is super fragile—anything could bring on total collapse.

The Fed needs to put a finger in the dike for even the smallest drip.

That is what raw fear looks like.


24 posted on 03/14/2023 5:53:03 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: SaveFerris

Crypto has spread toxic waste throughout the financial system.

No telling whose toilet will start smelling from it...


25 posted on 03/14/2023 5:55:28 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: cgbg

(Crypto has spread toxic waste throughout the financial system)

Yeah. I saw all the Bitcoin commercials on some games I played. A good number of “actors” in other commercials were Chinese or looked like Americans in some foreign land - which I guessed was China.

Same people over and over again.


26 posted on 03/14/2023 6:00:32 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: avital2

This was done to stop a global collapse. That is what everyone keeps missing here. The reach of these banks was far beyond our shores too.


27 posted on 03/14/2023 6:18:28 AM PDT by EBH (America Blackmailed, The True Story of the World War...Coming Soon)
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To: Sirius Lee

i think emergency powers cover this - FDIC in financial crisis extended insurance coverage to all deposits and that is not policy as stipulated in FDIC disclaimers. also they have latitude under 1991 FDIC Act to resolve emergencies in least costly manner. this backstopped 2 banks, not the whole system.


28 posted on 03/14/2023 6:19:05 AM PDT by avital2
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To: cgbg
The difference this time was that you had insolvency issues with a particular type of niche bank that has huge deposits among its liabilities but very few customers.

Someone pointed out yesterday that SVB is the 16th largest bank in the U.S. and only has 13 branches. It also only has about 38,000 customers. It’s much easier to have a bank run with 38,000 customers than with 3.8 million.

29 posted on 03/14/2023 6:20:55 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've just pissed in my pants and nobody can do anything about it." -- Major Fambrough)
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To: cgbg

Correct. In the current global economy advances, the old system is failing.

Was this the right thing to do? Time will tell, but it is only a bandaid from what I see. Loans to the bank on devalued bonds? That feels like the car dealership offering me to swap out my old car at today’s price?


30 posted on 03/14/2023 6:22:57 AM PDT by EBH (America Blackmailed, The True Story of the World War...Coming Soon)
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To: Alberta's Child

There is a systemic problem as well.

That is what the Fed and .gov are hoping to hide.

It is like natives wearing a fig leaf.

;-)


31 posted on 03/14/2023 6:26:37 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: EBH

It looks to me like the “kick the can down the road” tactic is in place—an unlimited Fed window to keep banks afloat.

They can call them loans or grants or whatever they want—the bottom line is that all depositors must be kept whole or the complete system collapses.

It is kind of like a high school hockey goal-tender facing the NHL all stars.

The goal-tender will make a lot of saves for a while...


32 posted on 03/14/2023 6:30:08 AM PDT by cgbg (Claiming that laws and regs that limit “hate speech” stop freedom of speech is “hate speech”.)
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To: avital2
i think emergency powers cover this

From here on out, any time difficulties arise with a bank that has done business with the woke or deep state it will be considered an "emergency".

33 posted on 03/14/2023 6:40:00 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: EBH

The Fed has pivotted.

They can never, ever raise rates. If they did, banks that own huge amounts of lower-yield USTs will go under. And the Fed would end up buying those bonds at par so that losses can be socialised.

With the Iran/Saudi rapprochement and the imminent end of the petrodollar, foreigners will be divesting from the USD.

So the Fed must print. This won’t be a burden on taxpayers exactly, but on everyone who uses the dollar.


34 posted on 03/14/2023 7:25:35 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Alberta's Child

Re:21 - yes and those sales were ready scheduled.

Won’t deter people looking for a conspiracy to find one. There’s plenty of other ‘stuff to lambast Mgmt for - like having a vacant Chief Risk Officer for so long.


35 posted on 03/14/2023 7:51:13 AM PDT by Fury
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To: SaveFerris

The crypto things had almost nothing to do with crypto. They had to do with scammers. Scammers have been scamming since markets were created.

Crypto, specifically things like Bitcoin, make a person their own bank. They provide a safe haven from the idiots running banks like SVB.

They are clearly not for everyone. And I would never suggest that anyone buy one (they are not ‘investments.’). But they will serve a purpose when the masses realize bank deposits are liabilities, not assets. And depositors are last on the list to bail out.


36 posted on 03/14/2023 8:08:48 AM PDT by Vermont Lt
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To: EBH

More failures to come now.


37 posted on 03/14/2023 8:13:10 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Vermont Lt; dpetty121263

Weren’t there a couple of guys killed? (one I know for sure)

I’ve forgotten what all happened with it - in a short period of time

SBF did not kill himself (IOW, he knows too much)

You can tell that dude is a scammer; big time


38 posted on 03/14/2023 8:16:44 AM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold ......)
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To: EBH

And now every single big company knows they can take huge risks and simply get a bail out no matter how much they lose. OH but it will be covered by “fees” banks pay to the FDIC. And we know banks won’t dare think of passing the cost to their responsible depositors.


39 posted on 03/14/2023 9:53:02 AM PDT by Organic Panic (Democrats. Memories as short as Joe Biden's eyes)
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To: SaveFerris

In this case this was the Federal Reserve’s fault...


40 posted on 03/14/2023 10:05:30 AM PDT by dpetty121263
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