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After Emmanuel Macron Becomes First Western Leader To Supply Ukraine With Tanks In War With Russia, Germany And United States Quickly Follow His Lead
Now The End Begins ^ | 1/6/23 | Geoffrey Grider

Posted on 01/07/2023 1:49:10 PM PST by Roman_War_Criminal

In a potentially escalatory move, French President Emmanuel Macron became the first Western leader to supply Ukraine with tanks following talks with President Volodymyr Zelensky.

In case you haven’t figured it out by now, the West is conducting regime change in Russia by engaging in a proxy war through Ukraine and the oh-so-willing Volodymyr Zelensky. Could this have anything to do with the 2014 Ukrainian insurrection funded and conducted by the Obama Biden regime in the United States? Now the erstwhile leader of all Europe, Emmanuel Macron, has become the first furnish tanks to Ukraine, immediately followed by Germany and the US. Amazing how Macron is always first in, isn’t it?

For the most part, people have stopped watching this war because of its obviously false nature, having figured out this is not war but regime change. So the question becomes, who takes over Russia after the current push concludes? I think it will be someone very friendly to the interests of Europe, and by saying ‘the interests of Europe’ I mean Emmanuel Macron.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics; Society
KEYWORDS: europe; gravytrainforukraine; macron; nafotrollfarm; notourwar; ukraine; wefwar
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To: marcusmaximus; Paul R.; Bruce Campbells Chin; PIF; familyop; MercyFlush; tet68; BeauBo; TalBlack; ..

Ukraine ping

[They are recon vehicles with wheels and a big gun, not MBTs like Abrams, Leopard, Leclerc, Black Panther etc.]


Wheeled guns like the AMX-10 are still basically armored cars even if the gun is mounted on a turret. They are definitely not tanks, any more than the Stryker AGS was a tank.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1128_Mobile_Gun_System

From the weight alone, about half of the Bradley, itself a tracked version of an armored car, and only 1/3 heavier the M113, it’s clear the AMX-10 simply lacks the protection of a tank, and has barely enough protection to stop .50 cal bullets.

For some perspective, Shermans were 2x as heavy as the AMX-10, and they were vulnerable to the Mark IV tank’s 75mm gun, never mind the Tiger’s 88m gun. The T-72 has a 125mm gun.

Bottom line is that is the usual junkyard leavings dressed up as caviar from the French. Better than nothing, and possibly better target acquisition systems, but not exactly a game changer, except perhaps in terms of sheer quantity. From a budgetary perspective, it might actually be cheaper to ship this end-of-life equipment to Ukraine than to pay a salvage company to turn it into scrap.


41 posted on 01/07/2023 3:57:02 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room)
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To: kiryandil

Honorable Mr. Reaminator,

I’m asking a polite and easy question :

Do you want KGB-Russia and their Iranian Islamic war collaborators to win in the Ukraine war ?

OR...

Do you want Ukraine and their western Christian collaborators to win ?

We need to know where you stand. Otherwise you are a joke.


42 posted on 01/07/2023 4:06:07 PM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: USA-FRANCE
Drink up, Re-Animator clown:


43 posted on 01/07/2023 4:26:31 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: USA-FRANCE
USA-Froggy Re-Animation date 9/04/2022, after a nice long 4-year FR snooze:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4090803/posts?page=30#30

44 posted on 01/07/2023 4:31:19 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: USA-FRANCE

https://freerepublic.com/tag/by:usafrance/index?more=124978000


45 posted on 01/07/2023 4:35:09 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: USA-FRANCE

Christian collaborators

That was a hundred years ago

Diversity now

Code word for Marx - satanistas


46 posted on 01/07/2023 4:35:21 PM PST by Firehath
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9/09/2022 - last post date:

https://freerepublic.com/tag/by:mercyflush/index

47 posted on 01/07/2023 4:37:05 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: Firehath

globohomo satanistas.


48 posted on 01/07/2023 4:37:27 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: Firehath

Yes, I’m afraid you are right...


49 posted on 01/07/2023 4:43:10 PM PST by USA-FRANCE
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To: PIF

“They are recon vehicles with wheels and a big gun, not MBTs like Abrams, Leopard, Leclerc, Black Panther etc.”

The AMX-10RC is a 6 wheel armored car weighing less than 20 tons with frontal armor capable of stopping 23mm. It dates from before GW1. NOT A TANK.


50 posted on 01/07/2023 5:33:11 PM PST by bravo whiskey (Annie Savoy : The world is made for people who aren't cursed with self awareness. )
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To: kiryandil
That's a M-2 Bradley, not a AMX-10.

Ukraine used older British Spartan CVRTs effectively during Kharkiv. The CVRT have have speed, low ground pressure, and a machine gun, and a infantry squad, no cannon or missiles. Armed infantry fighting vehicles and light tanks are valuable when most threats on the battlefield are not tanks.

The AMX-10's 105 mm F2 BK MECA L/47 has a muzzle velocity of 1400 M/S with APDSFS, maybe 100 to 150 m/s slower than the British L7 or US M68 105 mm used in the . Its maximum range to destroy Russian tanks is a little lower. Not as good as a 120 mm, still good enough most of the time. AMX-10s have been continuously upgraded to keep up with the times.

Video games don't count in real life.

51 posted on 01/07/2023 8:05:45 PM PST by Widget Jr (🇺🇦 Sláva Ukrayíni 🇺🇦 - No CCCP 2.0)
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To: Widget Jr
That's a M-2 Bradley, not a AMX-10.

Yes, it's labeled M-2 Bradley.

What's your point?

I needed a LAV with a crosshairs on it.

52 posted on 01/07/2023 8:57:27 PM PST by kiryandil (put yer vote in the box, chump. HARHARHARHAR)
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To: Zhang Fei
Thanks Zhang Fei.

53 posted on 01/07/2023 10:16:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Zhang Fei; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; BraveMan; ...
Thanks Zhang Fei.

54 posted on 01/07/2023 10:16:39 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

I’m just surprised France hasn’t surrendered already.


55 posted on 01/07/2023 10:25:56 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: Roman_War_Criminal

How do they do against Javelin missiles that the Russians may have come by recently.


56 posted on 01/07/2023 10:27:50 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: kiryandil; BobL; jacknhoo

Kiryandil “Russia’s economy has been falling apart for at least 7 years.”

Now that we can agree on. Ever since the first invasion of Ukraine in 2014.

And this latest misadventure has exacerbated the decline.


57 posted on 01/07/2023 10:31:04 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: kiryandil

Kiryandil “shipping all our tax dollars”

Exaggeration.

$50 billion is far from the $4.05 Trillion in tax revenue the USA collected in 2021.


58 posted on 01/07/2023 10:33:07 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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To: Cronos
Who invaded Ukraine in 2014?


59 posted on 01/07/2023 10:35:56 PM PST by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: kiryandil

No, how the Ukrainians chased off you Russians from kherson.

Now Russia doesn’t have control of 2 capitals of the 4 oblasts it ran sham referenda in.


60 posted on 01/07/2023 10:42:08 PM PST by Cronos (.)
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