'Malicious misgendering'? What about malicious stomping on free speech rights?

American Thinker.com ^ | May 19, 2022 | Ed Brodow

[Kaslin]

All rights, including freedom of religion, stem from freedom of speech. Without free speech, we have nothing. Zero.

In complete disregard for this basic American value, free speech is regarded by the left as an outdated concept. Mark Steyn, author of America Alone, observed that we are turning into "one vast college campus," where there is one correct view and all others are prohibited. On such a "campus," there is no room for free speech.

The latest manifestation of the left's distorted vision is the attempt to mandate the use of subjective personal pronouns. Two examples have just been exposed. The first is taking place in Fairfax, Virginia, where the school board is reviewing updated rules that could expose students to suspension or expulsion for "maliciously misgendering" their peers. In other words, if I want to be referred to as "they" instead of "he," you can be suspended if you refer to me as "he." The new rules would make "malicious deadnaming" and "malicious misgendering" of classmates a "Level 4 offense," which allows for a suspension up to five days "if frequency and intensity are present."

The second example involves three Wisconsin boys who are facing sexual harassment charges from their middle school over accusations that they used incorrect gender pronouns for a fellow student. Think about that for a minute: sexual harassment. "I thought it wasn't real," said Rosemary Rabidoux, a parent of one of the accused boys. "I thought this has got to be a gag, a joke." She insists that the use of certain pronouns and sexual harassment have nothing to do with one other.

It seems that Harvard Medical School does not agree with Mrs. Rabidoux. "When people are misgendered, they feel invalidated and unseen," the leftists at Harvard argue. "When this happens daily,

[ClearCase_guy]

"they feel invalidated and unseen,"

Don't care. Not my problem. Learn to deal.

[No name given]

Does the constitution or bill of rights protect feelings? Nope!!!!

[1FreeAmerican]

If I ever had to deal with this bs as an employer my reaction would be to accommodate their wishes.

They would now be forever referred to as “ze ditch digger”.

[Brooklyn Attitude]

The kid called a girl a girl. That’s not mis-gendering.

[Taxman]

Ping

[Svartalfiar]

The kid called a girl a girl. That’s not mis-gendering.

Yes it is. "Girl" is not a gender in the English language.

[SunkenCiv]

• Malicious misgendering'? What about malicious stomping on free speech rights? [05/19/2022]

[Brooklyn Attitude]

“The kid called a girl a girl. That’s not mis-gendering.”

“”Yes it is. “Girl” is not a gender in the English language.””

Sex and gender are often used interchangeably in the English language. “Girl” is a term used synonymously with female.

[Svartalfiar]

Sex and gender are often used interchangeably in the English language. “Girl” is a term used synonymously with female.

And I can call my dog's tail a leg, and tell everyone that visits me to do so, but that doesn't mean he grew an extra leg. Yes, 'girl' and 'female' are pretty close to the same thing, but 'female' and 'feminine', while related, do not in any way share definitions.

[Brooklyn Attitude]

“And I can call my dog’s tail a leg, and tell everyone that visits me to do so, but that doesn’t mean he grew an extra leg. Yes, ‘girl’ and ‘female’ are pretty close to the same thing, but ‘female’ and ‘feminine’, while related, do not in any way share definitions.”

Lighten up Francis. You knew what I meant right? So you don’t have to get pedantic about it. I bet you also like to point out spelling errors on internet posts.

[Dead Corpse]

If a Man wants to be called a Woman, that’s fine.

I am under no legal obligation to play along with someone else’s delusions. Nor will I ever allow myself to be subject to such a law.

[EVO X]

I don’t get this pronoun thing. Who addresses a person directly as a pronoun? If I know somebody, I directly use their name and possibly a courtesy title in the conversation.

[Svartalfiar]

Who addresses a person directly as a pronoun? If I know somebody, I directly use their name and possibly a courtesy title in the conversation.

"You", "y'all", "you're" are all pretty direct. Though of course, are neuter pronouns and not really applicable to this overall situation.

Third-person pronouns are often used directly at a person when they're part of a larger group being talked to. "Hey guys, this is my buddy Jimmy. He's a bartender, so we can get cheap beers if we visit him after work!" Jimmy is certainly part of the group in the conversation, but is properly referred to in the third person, which can use pronouns of all three genders, as the case might be.

[Svartalfiar]

Lighten up Francis. You knew what I meant right? So you don’t have to get pedantic about it. I bet you also like to point out spelling errors on internet posts.

Yes, you meant that 'sex' and 'gender' are "often used interchangeably in the English language", which implies, if not basically states, that they're the same thing, and they're not.

And sure, if it's in the middle of a conversation and someone makes errors that are changing the intent of their statements.

[Brooklyn Attitude]

“Yes, you meant that ‘sex’ and ‘gender’ are “often used interchangeably in the English language”, which implies, if not basically states, that they’re the same thing, and they’re not.”

They are essentially the same thing and have been used that way throughout history. If you don’t believe me here is an article on the subject. If you are still too childish to admit your mistake take it up with the author. I’m through wasting time on someone who likes to argue for the sake of argument.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/15/why-sex-and-gender-are-not-two-different-things/

[Svartalfiar]

They are essentially the same thing and have been used that way throughout history. If you don’t believe me here is an article on the subject. If you are still too childish to admit your mistake take it up with the author. I’m through wasting time on someone who likes to argue for the sake of argument.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/15/why-sex-and-gender-are-not-two-different-things/

They have been mistakenly conflated by many people throughout history, but just because a bunch of people are wrong doesn't make them right.

Did you even read that article? He talks all about how words matter,and definitions are important, and even has all sorts of arguments that separate the words, but then still concludes that they mean the same thing. Hell, he even quotes Scalia in the middle of the article, and IGNORES THE WORDS HE QUOTES: "That is to say, gender is to sex as feminine is to female and masculine is to male.”

English may not have had much education on the subject (as 99% of it is neuter), but I'm pretty sure most other languages have been teaching gender for way longer than just since the '70s.