Posted on 07/15/2021 7:29:43 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
We see pharmaceutical commercials all the time on the television. “Side effects include diarrhea, headaches, fatigue... Cruetzfield-Jakob syndrome... and death.” Most of these drugs are for things like rheumatoid arthritis, diabetes, shingles, etc.
Those drugs all received FDA approval and are accompanied by informed consent forms. How long were those drugs in trial?
How many people died from them or were seriously injured?
I’m curious if the percentages are even close compared to other pharmaceuticals for these COVID shots considering their immunization push is really just a global clinical trial?
The “Vaccine” is working.
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If it is a vaccine that prevents healthy living, it certainly is working splendidly.
False comparison.
Hygiene and medicine were primitive compared to today.
And you don’t die of the virus, you die of the secondary bacterial infection.
There were no antibiotics during the Spanish flu.
Today we have all kinds of effective antibacterial treatments.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04470427 (Moderna)
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT04368728 (Pfizer)
Phases 1 & 2 included healthy people between 18-55 years old. Everyone else excluded including pregnant women. Meanwhile, that does not apply to the mass vaccination of the public. Old, unhealthy and pregnant women? No problem, step right up and get your jab. Kids too. We are now in Phase 3 but technically not done with Phases 1/2 because they all run for two years. Then there is Phase 4 which is kind of a mute point.
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3976496/posts?page=104#104 (links to clinicaltrial.gov for both Moderna and Pfizer Phase 3 trials)
Each Phase lasts 2+ years.
Moderna’s Phase 3 started April 2020. Pfizer’s Phase 3 started July 2020. Moderna’s Primary Completion date is Oct 2022.
So no, they have not passed three phases of clinical trials but you go ahead and keep on spreading your pro vax lies.
Links to Moderna and Pfizer Phase 3 trial protocols
https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/mRNA-1273-P301-Protocol.pdf
https://cdn.pfizer.com/pfizercom/2020-11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020.pdf
It still has not been cleared by the FDA. People are being told they must have the vaccine to continue working or to be enrolled at state colleges and universities.
Since it is not cleared, people are participating in a medical experiment. And they are being compelled.
If you have written a Federal NIH grant before you know about informed consent. Have you written a grant? If so, which one?
I get informed consent everyday from patients. So yes I know about informed consent.
The point is people are being compelled to take the vaccination. It is not cleared. It is only under emergency authorization.
Natural immunity cannot be an excuse for employers and universities. We do not know how long natural immunity lasts, nor do we know how long immunity from the vaccine lasts.
It is the suppression of acceptance of natural immunity as a reason for refusal of the vaccine which makes me question why the vaccine is being pushed so hard on everyone.
Finally when they started vaccinations they had not done reproductive toxicology on the Pfizer vaccine. That is always a standard part of your biocompatibility testing.
I think you are right about natural immunity. Once you have had it you are good to go. It is a horrible judgment that people need vaccination after infection. I will agree with you and fight for this point as long as the day is long.
I do not recommend to my patients who have had the disease that they should be vaccinated.
I haven’t looked into the reproductive toxicology statement and I will when I have a chance. That being said I would also be curious as to the effects of the disease on and early mid and late term pregnancy. I don’t think I have seen any reports or studies on that. But it bears a literature search before I can make any informed commentary.
Thanks for pointing this out.
More fear porn from the anti-vaccine crowd.
Now the entire medical reporting system for 27 separate countries comprising the European Union are anti-vaxxers promoting fear?
Perhaps the personal experiences and observations of the populations of those countries are informing their reactions to real-world/real-time events. Physicians who received 10 Euros/10 Pounds per head for vaccinations are now refusing to see their patients who are experiencing negative results. Instead, they respond with anger, impatience, condescension and abuse.
Rough estimates seem to indicate 60% of vax recipients have adverse reactions, globally. Maybe 10%-20% die. Could be more and probably not less.
As in the US, the numbers are a fraction of the realities. But those who are just fine say it’s statistically insignificant.
Until....
...we will provide the same high quality card..
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In my region the health care is dominated and monopolized by one huge medical conglomerate. They are very highly regarded, with much cutting edge tech and highly qualified staff. They control the real-estate of all the smaller cities and towns by metastases, with every decent lawyer on *retainer*.
No treatment without vaccination. No appointment without invasive deep sinus swab. Prior recovery and lack of symptoms not considered a substitute. Prior bouts of phlebitis not considered, even when a major adverse reaction is venous clotting. History of auto-immune disease not contra-indicated.
If not for a small urgent care clinic 2 hours away, staffed with advanced clinical nurse practitioners, my husband would not be able to get BP and 2ndary gout (2ndary to the lisinopril/diuretic)meds. He is fit, low BMI, active and informed. If he goes in ER, which is a possibility, he will not be allowed an advocate, visitors or family observation.
That isn’t even *care*, let alone discussing the quality.
It was a simple number from a simpleton.
I called you out on your extreme rhetoric and you don’t like it.
If you don’t want the vaccine don’t get it but stop trying to scare people with nonsense.
Again, what is your medical or scientific background?
“Rough estimates seem to indicate 60% of vax recipients have adverse reactions, globally. Maybe 10%-20% die. Could be more and probably not less.”
Wow, you’re not into fear porn you’re into extreme fear porn.
Approximately 200 million Americans have received the vaccine, you really think that 20 to 40 million are going to die from adverse reactions?
When is this supposed to happen?
Update. My 34-year-old cousin passed away last night.
Sarcasm
Now this woman was in her 60s and was under intense pressure from her family to get the vaccine, even though she did not feel comfortable getting it. Finally she gave in and got it about three weeks ago. Now she is dead of apparent heart failure.
Some may argue the two events are unrelated. Maybe it was her time regardless. But this definitely has me spooked. I'm even more determined not to get the vaccine now.
First of all, we have no way of knowing how many are vaxxed. None of the official numbers are available from independant 3rd parties.
Second,not only do VAERS and EUDRA only represent 1%-10% of actual deaths and adverse reactions, these government databases are being finagled in a variety of ways. No way to know for sure from these, either.
Very large social media groups discussing adverse reactions/deaths are deleted. I’m retired. I read a lot of news sites around the web from various countries on various platforms. I usually manage to read a fair number of the comments. People discuss deaths in their families and social circles, churches, workplaces and communities. Taking that as representative and likely at a similar rate to official databases, the adverse reactions and the deaths are much higher than anyone is admitting, while the vax numbers are lower. COVID-19 was the cause of any death at all, while, now, the vaccines are not attributed as a cause to any death. Example: in Scotland and England, clinicians were paid per head for vaccinated patients and then refused to see any of them on followup, usually in very dismissive and condescending and abusive manners.
It’s not fear. It’s extreme sadness. I know many vaxxed people, some with reactions, some gone. It’s not porn, meaning it isn’t titillating. It’s a hidden reality that is oozing out of the cracks in the firewalls the governments/Pharma have constructed.
Do you really think that young people 16-35 spend their time LARPing about death and illness? They are the ones on board all this control-freak program. They turn to their online peers because that is all they know. They mourn online. They beg for information on antidotes.
Timelines are up to God. IDK. But lives have been shortened, are being shortened, lives are being made miserable with suffering and uncertainty and at some point it will be impossible to cover up.
Sneer at the messenger. I’m old and I DGAF at this point. It does not have any effect on reality.
Oh piss off. The dead giveaway that the obvious vaccine pushers, such as yourself, are being grossly disingenuous is that you refuse even to recognize any reasonable and credible arguments for caution. You crap out silly anecdotes instead of any logical thought and when someone such as myself pokes holes in your fairy tale you pretend not to understand the argument. You’re either the dumbest SOB alive or a shill.
All you do is spout ignorance and hurl insults.
On my worst day (without a cup of coffee), I’m smarter than you will ever be on your best day :^)
I am not a vaccine pusher, it is up to each individual to decide. Nor do I agree with vaccine passports or proof of vaccination to participate in the economy or society.
Operation warp speed was pushed by President Trump, do you think that he is part of a conspiracy? Based on your statements you appear to think so.
I’m done chatting with you, your not worth my time.
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