Posted on 04/26/2021 11:18:15 AM PDT by Sean_Anthony
Does Trans-World Airline Really Fly to Happy-Land?
Intro: Chastity is Dead—Not long ago, family warnings passed from parent to child on avoiding unwise hookups and dodging defective partners, such as the promiscuous tart. Roman historian Tacitus offered this gem—“A woman who’s lost her chastity will stoop to anything.” Yet now, the category of un-chastity no longer exists since “slut shaming” is immoral—despite female’s sexual history being a statistical premonition of marital longevity. Overall, decline in romantic relationships from the 60’s till now is everywhere obvious. And yet—no element more influences human happiness and productivity than marital stability. Perhaps why, in Proverbs, Solomon spent many chapters warning of the dangers of the immoral woman. Divorce is a huge annihilator of wealth.
Because when a man just cats around and impregnates girls and women with no commitment it devalues the women and the children. The children are not valued as those produced by one committed and stable relationship. The women and their families are jockeying for position,
Preferment, privilege and authority which promotes ridicule, abandonment, and hateful levels of competition.
Think about it for maybe five minutes. Do you not understand human nature at all
In traditional society, that child would NOT have the maternal uncles or aunts under the law.
Because it would dilute their inheritance.
Doesn’t mean they would not be supported, but certain levels of society were closed off to them because of their birth.
Why, yes. Yes, it does.
Thanks, yes, that’s the article.
The destruction of the Family has many causes. But one important cause not mentioned yet is the Welfare state that pushes a man out of the family. In fact, the mother earns more when the husband is gone. That’s what our Federal government has done... and it’s had a huge impact.
I have a recommendation for you all, a Youtube by a distinguished black man who is NOT part of the woke generation and has a remarkable work ethic he talks about.
In 2018 he released an autobiographical movie of his life, The Gospel According to Andre Leon Tally and I highly recommend it as a movie rental.
But a faster way to learn about the wonderful character of the man is to hear this talk he gave at Oxford in 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj8j-0vA0VU
His perspective on the value of discipline, work, and passion for excellence is like stepping back in time to an era of apprenticeship and learning. And he talks a lot about his remarkable Family, which for him was centered on his Grandmother who raised him as a child.
Watch his remarks for as many minutes as you can space. I assure you will not be bored.
Andre is a role model for integrity, family, hard work, and a resurrection of Family and the proper raising of the young.
Your response is off topic.
I was responding to redgolum's unsubstantiated claim that
There are reasons successful societies limit the rights of bastard children. If you have no extended family, or any nuclear family, the future beyond your lifetime is meaningless.
Specifically, I questioned his conclusion that society should limit the rights / social status of bastard children because [false premise] such a child automatically had no extended family.
Your statement - while quite possibly true - does not refute or even address my devastating refutation of redgolum's premise that a bastard child automatically lacks an extended family.
A bastard child could still have numerous maternal relatives who provide loving support and care.
In a plural marriage there is [...]
The issue of polygyny is entirely off-topic here. The issue at hand is bastardy.
Regards,
A very good argument to address to men thinking about "catting around." You have yet to explain your conclusion that it is to society's benefit / in society's interest to "limit the rights of bastard children."
The women and their families are jockeying for position, Preferment, privilege and authority which promotes ridicule, abandonment, and hateful levels of competition.
As the sixth of seven children, with dozens of cousins also "jockeying for favor" from the grandparents, I agree that that can promote in-fighting - even in strictly monogamous societies.
You have still failed to explain how it is in society's interest to "limit the rights of bastard children."
The bastard child is already disadvantaged in lacking close ties to its father and its father's family (and its resources, etc.). Then why is it to society's benefit to further disadvantage that bastard child?
Regards,
WHAT?!
Are you claiming that the bastard child's mother's brothers and sisters would not recognize it as their niece/nephew? Would refuse it love, care, and support? That the bastard child's mother's parents would deny it a share of the inheritance? Evidence, please!
And even if that had been the case in some "traditional" societies: You have yet to provide the logical argument for how that (creating a class of social pariahs) would benefit such a society.
Regards,
Like many here, am of the opinion that this is an extremely corrosive and destructive aspect of 20th-21st Century life.
Extremely.
Family life as it was known is not, and never was perfect. It had the potential to be individually destructive to individuals, as we all know from personal experience and observation.
But the same can be said of nearly anything, family life is no different. The alternative to the family structure as outlined by the Left is far more hideously detrimental to mankind than even the worst individual family that may destroy the people in it.
What sets the destruction of the nuclear family apart, and is a uniquely Leftist domain, is to destroy “Family Life” and replace it with “State life” in much the way the Left endeavored to destroy God and replace God with Man as Whittaker Chamber so eloquently outlined in his seminal book “Witness” (as referenced by Freeper G Larry in the post at #10 above).
It is one of the reasons I judge those movements (such as Communism and Black Lives Matter and all other Marxist ideologies and organizations) to be so diametrically opposed to ANY American values whatsoever that I deem people who support and advocate for those things to be both Foreign and Domestic enemies of freedom in general, and the United States in particular.
In my opinion, here is how I deem that “Family Life” aligns with conservative values: One of the best aspects of conservatism is to drive the decision-making processes down as close as possible to the source, where individual decisions about what is best for the family can be made at the family level. We do the same thing with State’s rights, Economic activities, and things like school choices.
Leaving as much decision making in the hands of these entities such as State vs. Federal, Capitalist vs. Socialist, or local educational curriculums vs. State educational mandates (such as Common Core) developed as close as possible to the local areas and individuals, ensures that disastrous decision-making does not destroy EVERYTHING at all levels.
If one state decides to pursue a particular policy and another state pursues a different (perhaps more destructive/less successful) policy, each one can serve as a laboratory, with the results publicly known, and people can make the choice to leave their failed “laboratory” and go to a state with a successful “laboratory”. This happens all the time, much to the ire of successful red states who take the influx of refugees from blue states whose policies fail over time. As we all know, that would not be a bad thing except that instead of adopting the policies of the red states they migrate to, the “refugees” often want to bring the same failed policies with them, the only advantage being the unspoiled environment of the successful red state.
But the natural migration applies, the failed “laboratories” (States) lose population and congressional representation (and therefore power) and the the successful “laboratories” (States) gain population, congressional representation, and therefore, power.
This happens in economics. In a capitalist (conservative) environment, industry or commerce pushes the decisions about how many of what products to produce and at what price all the way down to the individual who votes for what products are wanted and with their dollars spent, “vote” on what should be produced. This contrasts with Socialist (Leftist) schemes in which a small number of persons makes the decisions for people far removed from them, encompassing ALL industry.
If a company makes choices based on the votes of the dollars of thousands or millions of people, it is likely going to be de facto successful most of the time, and individual localized failures will likely be due to poor individual corporate decisions. If the State (meaning the overall government that makes all decisions) makes a mistake, it will bring everything down everywhere resulting in the Soviet Union, Venezuela, or Cuba.
Likewise with schools. I have long thought the Department of Education should be eliminated. Choices about schools and curriculums should be made at the lowest possible levels, the individual State level being the largest, but ideally, down to a county or even local level. To a degree this does happen, and it is why one of the most common things is to see a family relocate to a town, city or even state with superior school systems.
If a town makes poor decisions and its schools don’t work, parents will not relocate there, but will go to towns with with better results. If the Federal government mandates various curriculums and polices for ALL schools everywhere, a failure in policy is not localized to a town but is metastasized EVERYWHERE, resulting in deep and long term scholastic disaster.
And so it is with Family. Taking the decisions out of the immediate family (which is the end goal of the Democrats (Leftists) and putting them into the hands of The State (in every aspect from education, parental discipline, child care, and finances) will and is having the same same corrosive and disastrous effects that we see taking place.
Civilization is like a giant game of JENGA.
Take out the base and the entire system collapses....................
Very good analogy, Red Badger...
The extended family stabilizes society, the nuclear family is only one part of that and not a standalone part because it needs support to work. The nuclear family as we know it without grandparents, aunts, uncles, cousins, came about because of factory work and the post-war economic boom. The backlash to the destruction of the extended family was quick and severe, the 1960’s. The globalists are even more committed to cherry picking people and running them around all over, making intact families even rarer.
The extended family isn’t perfect, and the progressives hate it because extended families have historically slowed down social progress as well as increasing private real estate holdings among common people and making them less mobile. Contrast that with a world of fairy dust built on the ashes of the identity politics generated hate that will magically become a society where all of society’s vulnerable are cared for by strangers and nobody owns anything, so everyone can be endlessly herded around and tailored to the whims of elite nincompoops.
But I digress. We don’t need nincompoops of any description at the top of the food chain. We need God. We need to never be on top and unaccountable because we are just not good at it. Its not our role.
Well written, agree. It comes down to who is going to stand up and fight back. Right now it is the conservative “movement” and it is an ongoing struggle. Sadly our Republican elected leaders are, as a hole, failing us. They don’t get it, they act surprised when Trump wins and then when he is replaced they act like the movement has gone away, it hasn’t.
The theory in the past is that by providing a disincentive (pain and social costs) to illegitimate births the children impacted will have a stronger incentive to do things differently.
And yes, as late as the early 1900’s the material side of the family did not recognize the bastard children. I know this from my own family. My great grandfather was born under a cloud as they said, and had no inheritance under the law from his Mom’s side of the family (and without speaking, his Dad’s who officially was never named and unofficially was a rich landowner in what is now Omaha).
He did get some support through primary schooling and was allowed to call the maternal side his family, but had NO claim to any of the land, property, or wealth as an bastard son.
It is part of the reason he pounded into his kids (and my grandfather) that if you get a woman pregnant, you marry her and claim the kid.
Now the problem is it also creates an incentive to abortion and child abandonment. Which is why the original WIC and other programs were set up.
For all the talk of "we support American families" from both political parties, all their policies from economic policies to mainstreaming of homosexuality and transgenderism run counter to that "support" and actually corrode and destroy the family unit.
You and I both seemingly agree that the "nuclear family" isn't perfect, but it is light years better than the alternatives being offered by the Left. (I use "nuclear family" and "extended family" somewhat interchangeably because they are both dependent of family and blood ties rather than family-state ties)
I do not believe I have seen a more appropriate grammatical or spellcheck error.
Isn't that the truth.
missing 3 s’s.
LOL, my mind just filled those right in.
I am not interested in a society further hurting a bastard child.
I am noting the plain fact that with extreme bastardry we have poverty (exception: the occasional king). And with bastardry you get extreme
interfamily warfare. I am not saying you SHOULD. I am saying you DO. people are going to people.
Women and children, literally, hardest hit.
Any child raised in that atmosphere is going to be damaged and warped. Sociologically, emotionally, psychologically, and financially. You can’t escape it.
The women are miserable and unfulfilled, save for perhaps the Top Dog who just has her worst tendencies rewarded.
Honestly. Are you being deliberately obtuse? Marriage is one man and one woman for the best production of the human race and it has been so since creation. Besides the actual straightforward law can you not see the immense destruction of bastard and half and questionable kids and serial monogamy if not outright polygamy we are seeing all around us? Don’t be daft.
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