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Memo to Trump Legal Team:
11/23/20 | self

Posted on 11/23/2020 4:07:30 PM PST by entropy12

Do NOT disclose any evidence before court proceedings begin. It is counter-productive to lay down your cards open faced on table while playing poker.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Politics
KEYWORDS: courts; evidence; trump
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To: entropy12

They have to disclose it to all parties at court.

It’s called discovery.

And before any facts are tried.


21 posted on 11/23/2020 4:34:51 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: doc maverick

What it will come down to will anyone be brave in the states to do the right thing
And will the Supreme Court do what is right.


22 posted on 11/23/2020 4:35:41 PM PST by LoveMyFreedom
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To: entropy12

Very good post.

All the journalists and political ‘pundits’ seem to think that Sidney has the duty to disclose her evidence to THEM - as if THEY are the ultimate arbiters of what stands up as true or not in a Court.

She’s a very smart lawyer, and isn’t afraid of taking her time and taking heat for her convictions.


23 posted on 11/23/2020 4:38:41 PM PST by Jamestown1630 ("A Republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: entropy12
The way I see it is that the Dominion issue will consume longer time to prove in a manner for the non-mathematicians in black robes to understand.

Judges don't have to understand.

They rely upon expert testimony.

ML/NJ

24 posted on 11/23/2020 4:39:07 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: calljack; All
I believe there is some element of a rope-a-dope strategy going on with the legal team's approach to revealing the evidence they have.

Let the democRATS and MSM think all you have is what you show them and let them focus on that. Wait until court to start throwing the big punches while the democRATS and media are complacent and on their heels.

I don't think these people are as stupid as many here on FR think they are.

25 posted on 11/23/2020 4:41:19 PM PST by HotHunt
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To: entropy12

use your head, for god’s sake. they’re (powell and wood) talking about the foremost criminal and political conspiracy in the history of the world. that’s literally what they’re saying. of the thousands of people that would have access to just a shred or two of the evidence of the premier crime against democracy in the history of the world, it would be getting out. we wouldn’t be hearing **cking crickets.

no doubt. no question. no hesitation.


26 posted on 11/23/2020 4:41:42 PM PST by JohnBrowdie
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To: Jane Long

Jenna also said the only issue in the 3rd Circuit appeal from Judge Brann’s Pennsylvania decision is the error of not being permitted to amend their complaint for the third time.


27 posted on 11/23/2020 4:41:46 PM PST by hankbrown
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To: entropy12

Since these are civil proceedings and not criminal proceedings the plaintiff need not present ANY evidence at this early stage of the litigation (that is why there is discovery), and need only to file a well-pleaded complaint.


28 posted on 11/23/2020 4:42:11 PM PST by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: Jamestown1630; All

Well, remember, these are the same people who think Biden has won because a TV network said he had won. They are not that bright to begin with.


29 posted on 11/23/2020 4:44:14 PM PST by HotHunt
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To: JohnBrowdie

use your head, for god’s sake. they’re (powell and wood) talking about the foremost criminal and political conspiracy in the history of the world. that’s literally what they’re saying. of the thousands of people that would have access to just a shred or two of the evidence of the premier crime against democracy in the history of the world, it would be getting out. we wouldn’t be hearing **cking crickets.

no doubt. no question. no hesitation.


Not really. They all hate Trump and want him gone. Trump’s own party hates him and wants him gone. Those tasked with “investigating” the steal also hate Trump and want him gone. Look at the tape of the Biden loving goon the USPS sent to browbeat the whistleblower.

Given that the lack of progress fighting the steal should be no surprise. We’ve seen the same coupist movie and over and over last 4 years.


30 posted on 11/23/2020 4:47:41 PM PST by lodi90
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To: entropy12
Do NOT disclose any evidence before court proceedings begin. It is counter-productive to lay down your cards open faced on table while playing poker.

This may be so, but there is also an advantage to making the case in public since it may come down to state legislatures.

31 posted on 11/23/2020 4:51:08 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: entropy12

I agree.

Instead FReepers should be digging into the details of how elections are run in the battleground states.

For instance, are FReepers aware:

Georgia voter history files. 60 days after the election each county has to submit to the state the list of voters by their 8 digit REGISTRATION NUMBER. So let’s assume Joe Biden was registered in Gwinnett and then Joseph Robinette Biden JR moves to Fulton and registers at Fulton under his full name without telling anyone that he is still registered in Gwinnett. How does the State detect whether Sleepy Joe Biden has been voting in both Gwinnett and Fulton for years when the only thing they are looking at is the registration number of the voter?

It seems to me that a regular comparison of names of Georgia voters needs to be done. Probably 90% of Georgia voters have a Georgia drivers license and that would be the first thing I would check to see if two or more voters with similar names also had a Georgia drivers license.

https://elections.sos.ga.gov/Elections/voterhistory.do


32 posted on 11/23/2020 4:51:45 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: ml/nj

Haha so if opposite experts are equally effective who makes the final decision?


33 posted on 11/23/2020 4:52:33 PM PST by entropy12 (Stalin would have loved USA election system as it exists now! )
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To: AndyTheBear

State legislatures will se all the evidence presented in courts before Dec 14th.


34 posted on 11/23/2020 4:54:01 PM PST by entropy12 (Stalin would have loved USA election system as it exists now! )
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To: entropy12

All the judges probably watch the same lamestream news as the ignorant masses. They probably also notice the Republicans don’t care about the alleged vote fraud, so why would they risk Antifa knocking on their doors by making any heroic decisions? Just go with the flow.....


35 posted on 11/23/2020 4:54:40 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: JohnBrowdie

I prefer not hearing even crickets. Dead silence before court trial begins. It is enough to scare the enemy by declaring we have biblical proportions of evidence coming out like fire hoses.


36 posted on 11/23/2020 4:56:34 PM PST by entropy12 (Stalin would have loved USA election system as it exists now! )
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To: jstolzen

That observers were not allowed is Hannity’s refrain. He latches on that every show and beats a dead horse. It’s a weak argument. I agree the win is in the Dominion data. So, who’s presenting it? Rudy is focusing on what I think are weak arguments that won’t change anything. If widespread, systematic, deliberate fraud via the software can be proven, that will bring down everything.

Focus on voter data!


37 posted on 11/23/2020 5:06:22 PM PST by PA Presbyterian
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To: entropy12

I like what you’re saying, but it doesn’t take into account “legal fact” (where an event took place or a condition exists and nobody disputes it.

Arguing a procedural point serves a legal fact purpose as the argument is there’s a process (which nobody disputes), and it is in progress (again, nobody disputes). The argument is on elements of the process.

In 2016 there were two states with uncannily close percentages:

Michigan: Trump 47.6%, Clinton 47.3%
New Hampshire: Clinton 47.6%, Trump 47.2%

Trump could’ve argued then that it’s so implausible for two states to get the exact same percentages that the voting system itself must be flawed in some way. It would’ve been difficult for Clinton to argue against that possibility, as the margins were so tight she could’ve been disadvantaged by the system - so it would’ve been to her advantage to look into it.

Trump took the view that since he’d won by EC without officially winning the popular vote, it didn’t matter that the system looked like it might’ve given Clinton a few more votes than she should’ve gotten. He knew that discrediting the system would just as likely have resulted in him losing votes elsewhere so it wasn’t worth the risk.

Now, what he and his team are trying to do is argue that voter fraud or electoral fraud or counting fraud or mail ballot fraud is behind almost every instance where Trump lost - and we’re not talking 500 votes here and there, we’re talking hundreds of thousands of votes.

Per the film “A Few Good Men”, it doesn’t matter what you believe, it only matters what you can prove.

And if Trump and his team keep arguing in effect that MILLIONS of votes were fraudulent, it doesn’t matter that they have evidence proving that this guy here and that guy there diddled 50 votes. The scale of what they can prove is nowhere near close to proving the scale of the fraud they’re alleging.

Lots of allegations piled one on top of each other create a massive legal risk for Trump. If even one of those allegations is so comprehensively debunked then it calls the rest of the allegations into question - this is why so many cases so far have been chucked out. The rhetoric on Twitter and in press conferences suggests that every time a judge is expecting to see a Kraken in the courtroom, they get presented with a bag of sea monkeys.

Lawyers can prove one thing, maybe two. But not the whole barrel of conspiracies. Even if every state that flipped from Trump to Biden after the count of votes in person did so thanks to millions of fraudulent postal ballots AND a compromised electronic system AND collusion between RINOS and ‘crats, that combination is a tough argument to prove and it doesn’t help if you’ve got a bunch of space cadets throwing Hugo Chavez (a long time dead dude) into the ring as if that’s ever gonna help.


38 posted on 11/23/2020 5:07:56 PM PST by MalPearce
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To: MalPearce

I think your main point is focus on the largest number of votes wherever that takes you, and I agree completely.


39 posted on 11/23/2020 5:11:10 PM PST by entropy12 (Stalin would have loved USA election system as it exists now! )
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To: Karl Spooner

If true, antifa has the country by the balls and that is extremely disconcerting.


40 posted on 11/23/2020 5:12:29 PM PST by entropy12 (Stalin would have loved USA election system as it exists now! )
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