Posted on 10/05/2017 7:38:40 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
LVMPD audio: ‘There are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons’ Posted on October 5, 2017 by Shepard Ambellas Leaked LVMPD audio reveals how the mainstream media is hiding crucial details about last Sunday’s shooting at the Route 91 music festival in Las Vegas
(INTELLIHUB) — Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department audio captured during last Sunday’s active shooting at Mandalay Bayresort and casino reveals how officers confirmed that there were at least two shooters firing down onto the crowd of concertgoers attending the Route 91 music festival.
After a series of fully-automatic gunfire popped off and people started getting struck by flying rounds a team of law enforcement officers and another ‘element’ stormed the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay it was feared that there was an additional shooter on the 29th floor.
“We have a four-man team up here and we have another element moving to us. We will need the 29th floor,” one officer said. “It sounds like it’s confirmed, there are at least two shooters with fully-automatic weapons.”
Additionally, the audio recordings also reveal that a black Chevy dually pickup truck fled the parking lot during all of the commotions and that an older white male who was wearing fatigues and carrying a black bag was spotted retreating into a white RV by the Tropicana and the Motel 6. Pedestrians said that the man came from the area of the shooting.
Pedestrians said that the man came from the area of the shooting and a team eventually converged on the white RV.
At one point, a police car was commandeered by an unknown suspect while the two elements on the 32nd floor were cleared for 335 Zebra’s approach to the northernmost room. READ MORE Forensic Psychiatrist Suggests Gunman May Have Deliberately Targeted Conservatives
“This is 335 Zebra. I need to know if we have that floor evacuated other than our suspects. We got […] sniper going up,” a voice called out over the radio.
That’s when 720 called in an confirmed he had a 12 man element entering the east side of the Mandalay Bay.
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It’s important to note that their may be a total media blackout and that other hotels may have been targeted.
Keep in mind, the New York Times failed to report the hard details in the conglomerate piece titled “Chaos at a Concert and a Frantic Search at Mandalay Bay.”
#MediaBlackout
Come on, friend. You're not seriously entertaining that theory, are you? Maybe you just forgot your sarc tag.
Do you not think it was his knowledge of the situation that led him to say that? To get you to question the narrative?
This guy supposedly scouted many locations.....for who? What else is coming?
His income alone should have the lone wolf bs questioned to high heaven. This has a massive stink about it and we are going to be fed bs.
You win the Occam's Razor Award for the day.
I always thought tempered glass sticks together after broken. All you see is the shattered glass within the clear film that keeps it all together.
As for paddock breaking the glass, at first, I guessed that instead of using the hammer to strike open the windows, paddock shot them up. However, after thinking about it, that doesn’t fly: he would’ve made a lot noise that all those smartphone vids would’ve detected. The vids indicate no such gunshots.
So he must’ve had not just any hammer, but a sledgehammer, to bust through the glass.
Well if we’re going throw around conspiracy theories, I figure we may as well go big!!
Thanks for your response.
Sheriff said the first firing (sounds like 100 rounds to me) were 308 aiming at the fuel tank. They found bullets there had penetrated the outer lawyer of the tank.
That initial burst sounds full auto to me.
Sheriff said they found a number of guns that had jammed.
Ballistics will be able to match bullets with weapons.
Seems more likely to me that the accomplice or accomplices got cold feet. One was likely supported to position the bomb vehicle at the scene to be ignited by gunfire. Shooter as people tried to flee or set up crossfire.
Deaths could have been in the hundreds if it were a team.
Sadly this might have created a template for the next sick group to use to attack us.
Absolutely. Because if there IS a conspiracy, it is in the LVPD’s best interest to cover it up.
Echo off another building maybe?
Stephen Paddock, 64, previously known as the “lone wolf” killer who shot over 59 victims to death and injured over 500 in Las Vegas, is now suspected to have been part of a deadly team. As RadarOnline.com has learned, the troubled gunman had an escape plan and explosives in his car, as he expected to flee the scene following his brutal attack.
“Maybe he’s a super guy,” stated Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo before correcting himself. “You know, a super yay-hoo that was working out all this on his own. But it would be hard for me to believe that.”
He stated this Wednesday during a conference that Paddock had 1,600 rounds of ammunition and various containers – totaling 50 pounds – of an explosive commonly used in target shooting, inside his parked car outside the hotel.
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Paddock also had 23 rifles and piles of magazines in the room, plus additional firearms inside his homes, and various electronic devices.
“Stephen Paddock is a man who spent decades acquiring weapons and ammo and lived a secret life, much of which will never be fully understood,” said Lombardo.
“Look at the weapon obtaining, the amounts of Tannerite available – do you think this was accomplished all on his own, face value?”
Officials also found that Paddock bought 33 rifles in 2016. While his reasons are unknown, investigators are hoping to prove signs of mental illness and/or trauma.
Continued Lombardo: “Put two and two together: another residence in Reno with several firearms, okay, electronics, and everything else associated with it, large amounts of ammo, a place in Mesquite. We know that he had a girlfriend. Do you think this is all self-facing, individuals are just, without talking to somebody, sequestered amongst themselves? Come on, folks.”
Adding to the theory of the shooter’s escape plan, police found a hidden camera on a service cart outside of Paddock’s hotel room. They now believe he was planning on making a run before cops found him. Unfortunately for the killer, a hotel guard, Jesus Campos, led police to his room as soon as he discovered his location. Paddock shot at him through the door, injuring but not killing the unarmed hero.
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While Paddock’s girlfriend Marilou Danley, 62, claimed to FBI that she knew nothing about his deadly plans, investigators still believe it is highly unlikely the now-deceased shooter was alone.
Shooting at the crowd to move them to the tank area
Then blowing the tanks
Tertiary target of his car/a car with explosives
Did the room have doors to other rooms?
I don’t have the inside knowledge the Sheriff has to say there was no one else involved. I am not even questioning that the ‘might’ be others.
What I was commenting on was the way the comment was made. It implied that Paddock physically or otherwise could not have done it alone. I say BS to that, given I have no other evidence to go on. Maybe the Sheriff does. But given what we have been told so far as fact, if I were so inclined, I know I could have single handedly pulled this off. I am not quite Paddocks age, but getting large numbers of guns up to the room would be easy with a bellmans cart. His shooting did not require precision shooting skills as his target area was relatively large even at 500 yards. Just point and spray. With the crowd density he couldn’t miss. I would never contemplate such a thing myself so even postulating that I could makes me uncomfortable, but physically, there is nothing stopping a single person from doing this.
I have mixed views on the reliability of reports from various agencies. I do believe that at the highest levels, the FBI has no credibility presently, but at the local levels, there are still good, competent agents trying to do the job. As to the Sheriff, I have no idea as to whether he is more trustworthy than the FBI for reporting. I will give him the benefit of the doubt so far that he is doing his job, but it is Clark County (think Harry Reid), so whats to say that he is not getting political pressure from outside?
“1. It was dark and no matter how well lit, there are many shadows to hide in.
Response- 22000 people in about a three or four acre area- that’s a dense target area. Assuming he was firing with a FA or even a bump fire stock equipped AR 15 223/556, off a bag or bipod etc, using 60 and 30 round magazines, rotating between 12 optic or dot equipped rifles, a reasonably astute person with a modicum of experience indeed could fire a few magazines before the effects could really be appreciated by the concert goers- loud music, the press of the crowd, people begin dropping, folks start saying “WTF?”, eventually in a minute or two or four (about 6, 60 round mags worth of time), the music stops, gunfire is heard and crowd start reacting-shock at first, then disorientation a to where to go/ where the fire is coming from, more bursts into a the milling crowd that is beginning to react/panic/take cover/ stand there with mouths open.
2. Simple a ‘sear’ (pronounced see-er) modification would have only permitted one entire magazine to shoot all at once with no select fire (being able to start and stop).
Response- true enough, but we know that the weapons were bump-fire stock equipped, so that is irrelevant, no?
3. There are some devices (like AutoGlove and Bump Fire) that can simulate full automatic fire, but they cannot be used accurately or effectively.
Response- I can assure you that FA fire from a bipod-equipped supported AR/M16 is very controllable in regards to an area target- The military uses FA fires to suppress an area so another element can maneuver against it. In this case, FA fire/simulated FA fire was simply used to murder folks. Indeed, the shooter could have used precise aimed fires, but that would be slow and actually not effective since the effect apparently was not an assassination of a specific target, but mass murder for terror effect.
4. Even if the shooter was able to somehow obtain a full normal functioning automatic rifle, anyone with military experience can tell you that the rifles are difficult to control when firing more than 3 round bursts – especially a .308 or AK47 type. This is because the rifle will uncontrollably rise if automatic fire is constant.
Response- True enough from unsupported firing positions against a point target, but actually very effective against an area target and groups of persons vice a specific individual. even heavier calibers like 762 Nato/762x 54 RUS are very controllable from heavier weapon systems like M240, RPK/Ms etc. He used, from the pictures, 223/556 caliber rifles.
5. After the first 15 or so seconds, the crowd scattered and took cover.
Response- see #1 above- I estimated it took two to three minutes for the crowd to begin to scatter and react ONCE they decided they were being shot, and I estimate it took that long for them to realize they were being shot, so 3-4 minutes under fire with either no awareness or inability to react due to the press of the crowd.
6. I don’t have a count of how many pieces of empty brass (fired rounds) they have recovered, but knowing how many shots were fired compared to how many people were hit will tell you the hit ratio. If this guy did this in 20 seconds, we needed him desperately in Afghanistan!
Response- again, he had, I believe, about 3-4 minutes where he was indeed shooting into a fish bowl. 200 effective RndsPerMin ( including time for reload/rifle swap) X 3 minutes=600 rounds.... We don’t need folks like him in FG, we need them on death row, or better yet, cooling off in the morgue. Also, rounds passing through limbs etc likely caused secondary wounds, bullets fragmenting on the pavement and ricocheting caused additional wounds. Hit ratio is pretty much irrelevant when sardines in a fish bowl are the target.
7. To fire 500 aimed shoots and swap out magazines would have taken him about 15-20 minutes, and there is no way that each shot would have hit someone – more than likely would have missed.”
Response- HE DIDN’T fire aimed shots, he sprayed an area full of crowded folks who had little or no awareness for up to several minutes (with optic sighted supported weapons from an almost ideal location), then another lengthy period of time (relative to amount of incoming rounds) to continue to engage the slowly moving but still tight crowd ( think slinky effect of traffic on the crowed freeway) to fire rapid bursts of fairly well aimed area fires into a target rich environment.
Summary- Indeed, given the dynamics of the noise/ crowd/area constraints and time to awareness, he had lots of time to kill 58 and wound 500+, the bastard was rather efficient in his dastardly, cowardly task. He fired apparently for 11 minutes. with regular bursts with moderate pauses for him to swap rifles/reload. He did not have to hurry a bit. I personally don’t think he was either an amateur ( maybe not a Spartan type) or even not alone, at least in the planning and logistics if not the actual rampage.
It’s in the best interest of msm and deep state to cover it up.
If it’s isis, they dropped the ball.
If it’s Antifa, the white male gun grab attacks stop.
He had a two room suite giving him access to different angles of fire.
That assumes individual targeting. He was not sniping, he was spraying a crowd.
3. There are some devices (like AutoGlove and Bump Fire) that can simulate full automatic fire, but they cannot be used accurately or effectively.
There is no need for accuracy when spraying a crowd- fish in a barrel.
4. Even if the shooter was able to somehow obtain a full normal functioning automatic rifle, anyone with military experience can tell you that the rifles are difficult to control when firing more than 3 round bursts – especially a .308 or AK47 type. This is because the rifle will uncontrollably rise if automatic fire is constant.
So he starts low and walks fire outward, using the weapon's characteristic behavior to advantage.
5. After the first 15 or so seconds, the crowd scattered and took cover.
What cover? IIUC, it was a large, fenced in, open area.
7. To fire 500 aimed shoots and swap out magazines would have taken him about 15-20 minutes, and there is no way that each shot would have hit someone – more than likely would have missed.”
Assuming aimed shots, again. Fragmenting rounds, ricochets, through-and-through rounds hitting a second victim, fragmenting or ricocheting, debris kicked up by impacting rounds, slip and falls and collisions while running, trampling in the panic...all causing injuries.
Another thoughtful response. Thanks.
The crowd was larger earlier (30,000). This was the last performer of the night. Also why I believe the accomplice or accomplices got cold feet.
Add the explosion from the car bomb and a couple more shooters and the death toll would be 300+.
Not sure how he had any escape plan. He’s in a room he rented and cops showed up within minutes. They were fired upon and waited for SWAT.
He began the gun buys in 2016. Trump’s rise. I think it was an Antifa inspired event. We will see. Info as to motive coming out soon according to reports.
Wrong- 12-15 minutes max, he shoots the security guy through the door. No more shots when the police arrive minutes later; they wait an hour to breach the door and find him dead.
Nothing like the heat of battle to confuse witnesses....possible but not probable at this juncture.
Last night the sheriff said that he did have an escape plan.
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