Posted on 11/25/2016 5:48:32 PM PST by drewh
The Green Party's 2016 Presidential candidate Jill Stein is announcing her intention to seek a "recount of votes in the battleground states of Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania." The campaign's press release, posted in full below, cites "a multi-partisan effort to check the accuracy of the machine-counted vote tallies in these states in order to ensure the integrity of our elections."
The announcement follows on word that leaked out yesterday at New York magazine that top electronic voting experts and election integrity advocates have been encouraging the Hillary Clinton campaign to file for similar hand-counts and forensic analyses of electronic voting and tabulation systems in the same states. The BRAD BLOG has independently confirmed that those efforts have been under way and are still being considered at the top level of the Clinton campaign.
We discussed just some of those efforts, and a number of reasons for them, on yesterday's BradCast program. University of Michigan computer science professor Alex Halderman, who has cracked many electronic voting systems in recent years, offers additional reasons to check the results and the systems in WI, MI and PA now right here.
Dr. Jill Stein, the 2016 Green Party Presidential candidate, on her announcement earlier today that her campaign plans to file for hand-counted paper ballot "recounts" and forensic audits of the Presidential election results in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. [Audio link to show and full interview posted below.]
"We have to move really fast in order to basically verify the vote and be confident our votes were actually counted," she tells me, citing the many concerns brought to her by computer scientists and voting systems and election integrity experts, all questioning whether paper ballots were counted accurately by error-prone and easily-hacked computer tabulators in WI and MI, and whether touch-screen systems were manipulated in some fashion in PA.
Across those three states alone, as we have been reporting, just 50,000 votes flipped from Trump to Clinton --- out of more than 13 million ballots cast in those states, where a number of anomalous results have been found --- could change who becomes the next President of the United States.
There is plenty of reason to question whether the results as reported are accurate. And not only because of the surprising results. As I note again on today's show, University of Michigan computer science and voting systems expert J. Alex Halderman, one of those urging the candidates to call for a hand-count, has cracked many electronic voting systems in recent years. He offered still more reasons to examine both the reported results and the systems used in WI, MI and PA earlier today.
Stein, explaining that some $2 million must be raised to meet the deadline to file in WI by Friday (and another $4 million or so for the other two states next week), tells me that it's an "outrage we have to go to extraordinary lengths to verify the vote," adding she is doing so, due to her "interests as a citizen, as a person in America, that the vote be valid." (The campaign has set up a fund raising page for the effort right here.)
"Why would anyone be against counting the votes?," she asks. "It’s long been demonstrated that our system of voting, relying on these machines, has virtually no security. They’re hack friendly [and] tamper friendly."
"People have felt such anguish during this election," Stein notes. "This is a joint effort, and there are many election advocates who are involved. A lot of the grassroots election integrity experts. If ever there was a time to stand up and demand an accountable and secure vote, this is the time to do it. If we don't do it now, when exactly, what would be the cause to do it?" She also details the attempt by the scientists and advocates to encourage the Clinton campaign to take up the effort as well. (I can confirm that effort happened and that the campaign was still considering doing so as of earlier today.) She says she welcomes other campaigns, such as the Libertarian Party and independent candidates with standing, to join the effort as well.
"It feels really good to be standing up right now," she tells me. "It’s time for us to take control of our democracy to start with. To give ourselves a gift on this Thanksgiving." We discuss all of that and the many concerns about the reported results, take a few calls afterward, and actually find a bit more to be thankful for on today's program Download MP3
Jill wants a beach house.....
Zero.
What happens is those states and their electors get thrown out and the number of electoral votes needed go down as well
Basically this is all to punish MI,WI,PA for not voting for the democrats this time around, they are going to disenfranchise these states
People better start waking up
Zero
Trump still wouldn’t need 270? Where are you getting that information - that the number needed to win would go down? Please provide your source
This is serious and Soros and the Clintons have a plan.
Trump’s recent ovetures to Romney may be to shore up support in the Republican Establishment if Hillary and Soros succeed in creating chaos to throw the election
constitution
if electors are disqualified, lets say the electors from WI, MI and PA are disqualified because they can’t count their votes in time. Then the total number of electoral votes go down. Its right there
Simple math here
That would just add legitimacy to their effort to steal the election. They will use fraud to win. Trump won't.
So now we get to learn how many altered and "new" votes George Soros can purchase.
The PA Constitution says that voters can petition individual county election boards for recounts. Candidates themselves have no standing in that process. Stein can not use that avenue.
All other petitions for recounts, including those from candidates, must go through the courts. The last day for a court decision is 20 days after the election. That is Monday. Stein will not be able to simply ask the Secretary of State for a recount.
She filed in WI because it's the easiest state of the three that the Clinton Global Crime Family wants to cherry pick. To get a recount, in WI, only the cost is involved. In Michigan (and usually PA) you will only get a recount if you have evidence of fraud, although she might well get a liberal court to grant her request. The current PA Supreme Court is 5-2, favoring Democrats.
Politico has a very short summary here: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/recount-rules-battleground-states-2016-presidential-election-231013
The LA Times precinct map had blue everywhere. I was puzzled. Almost no Hillary Clinton bumper stickers or yard signs to be seen, not in my precinct, and yet... all that blue. It's funny.
Please quote or cite the provision that says this,
go read it or google it
it aint hard
It’s a majority of the electors present, not 270. Furthermore, every state has there own rules for selecting electors if they can’t be chosen by the vote within the state. In Florida, for example, the State Legislature picks the electors if the votes can’t be counted in time.
Pennsylvania does not have paper ballots or a paper trail.
Then the House of Representatives decides
Too late now, Jillary.
There is absolutely no reason to even start to believe that a candidate that received only 30,000 votes, 1.1% of the take, and won not one county when the winner received over 1,400,000 votes, and the second place finisher took 17 counties, can possibly win the election in that state. So, if they want to recount the state, then the only votes that are required to be counted to determine if Stein won, would be hers and Trumps unless they find when counting that some of someone else’s were Stein’s. Hilary didn’t ask for a recount, so her votes don’t need counting if they are for her. So. the only votes of hers that mean anything are the ones that should have been counted for Stein as Hilary has no horse in this race.
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Thanks but that article doesn’t go into detail about deadlines. Sounds to me like a favorable judge could act, Minday, on an emergency recall petition.
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