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No, Liberals… Hillary Did NOT Win The Popular Vote, Stop With The Petitions (absentees not counted)
Proud Conservative ^ | 11/12/2016 | Proud Conservative

Posted on 11/13/2016 9:38:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum

Ok, so let’s set the record straight on this whole petition thing floating around that has now received over 3 million signatures called “Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19”.

The argument is that Hillary won the popular vote, so we should abolish the electoral college altogether and the state electors should abandon the electoral votes for Trump, and instead vote Hillary into office. There’s just one problem, liberals…Hillary DID NOT win the popular vote. Here’s why.

First of all, she’s probably not going to win the actual number of votes cast. She may win the number of votes counted, but not the votes cast.

States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference. If there is a margin of 1,000 votes counted and there are 1,300 absentee ballots outstanding, then the state tabulates those. If the number of outstanding absentee ballots wouldn’t influence the election results, then the absentee ballots aren’t counted.

Who votes by absentee ballot? Students overseas, the military, businesspeople on trips, etc. The historical breakout for absentee ballots is about 67-33% Republican. In 2000, when Al Gore “won” the popular vote nationally by 500,000 votes and the liberal media screamed bloody murder, there were 2 million absentee ballots in California alone. A 67-33 breakout of those yields a 1.33 to 0.66 million Republican vote advantage, so Bush would have gotten a 667,000-vote margin from California’s uncounted absentee ballots alone! So much for Gore’s 500,000 popular vote “victory.” (That was the headline on the N.Y. Times, and it was the lead story on NBC Nightly News, right? No? You’re kidding.)

So, the next time someone says “Hillary won the popular vote” you can give them this little election lesson, as most people have no idea that hundreds of thousands of ballots are never even counted.

Statistically, there is no way Hillary Clinton won the popular vote this year because 2/3rds of the uncounted absentee ballots would have gone against her.


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Statistically, there is no way Hillary Clinton won the popular vote this year, because 2/3rds of the uncounted absentee ballots would have gone against her.

Absentee ballots are only counted when there are enough of them to affect the result.

1 posted on 11/13/2016 9:38:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum
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....not to mention the need to back out Obama’s illegal votes/no repercussion numbers, as well as the run of the mill Dem fraud numbers....


2 posted on 11/13/2016 9:39:11 AM PST by Be Careful
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

it varies by state whether they count them or not when not needed to decide the result


3 posted on 11/13/2016 9:39:37 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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I agree, but the absentees alone make the case.


4 posted on 11/13/2016 9:40:48 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (President Trump is coming, and the rule of law is coming with him.)
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Had the election been fair — no vote fraud and fair press coverage — Trump's margin in the EC would have been twice what it was.
5 posted on 11/13/2016 9:42:24 AM PST by Steely Tom ([VOTE FRAUD] == [CIVIL WAR])
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6 posted on 11/13/2016 9:42:35 AM PST by eaglestar
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States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference.

I rather doubt that is true. The state margin may be large, but down-ballot races may be tight. All legitimate ballots are counted.

7 posted on 11/13/2016 9:42:59 AM PST by SSS Two
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8 posted on 11/13/2016 9:43:30 AM PST by eaglestar
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Don’t forget the illegal alien vote.


9 posted on 11/13/2016 9:44:19 AM PST by fruser1
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The stolen votes alone gives Trump another 600000 edge.


10 posted on 11/13/2016 9:44:19 AM PST by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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You mean that if there aren’t enough votes to affect the presidential race the toss the votes in the sheriff’s race in the trashcan?


11 posted on 11/13/2016 9:44:22 AM PST by TexasGator
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"States don’t count their absentee ballots unless the number of outstanding absentee ballots is larger than the state margin of difference."

This need to stop being propagated, as it is not accurate for all states. If there is anything we conservatives should be consistent about, it is that the truth should be our primary concern.

12 posted on 11/13/2016 9:44:38 AM PST by DJ Frisat (Hey, what happened to my clever tag line?!)
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13 posted on 11/13/2016 9:44:56 AM PST by eaglestar
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Hillary lost even with 5 million fake votes from illegals and dead people.

Democrats committed massive voter fraud . It’s democrats who almost stole the election


14 posted on 11/13/2016 9:45:00 AM PST by Democrat_media (President Trump has to change the 1965 immigration act so he can get a 2nd term)
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Also, it’s a moronic argument to make since we have no idea who would have showed up in uncontested states if they knew their vote was going to matter.

Trump game planned to win the Electoral College. Crooked campaigned like she was drunk and lazy because she was. This pissing and moaning over the popular vote is just more sour grapes from professional complainers and losers.


15 posted on 11/13/2016 9:45:12 AM PST by MountainWalker
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Without there being an electoral college system that separates votes into states, attempting to determine a winner would be a never-ending nightmare. For starters, in places with lax registration....that might be okay for local elections, but not for President. Illegals who voted would have to be identified and their votes eliminated. Just that would end up in courts forever. Then there would be all of those potential challenges of voting fraud and counting errors. It's not an issue that's pursued now, because it isn't a case of being situations that would make an overall difference.

These naysayers are out of line. As someone pointed out on Stephanapoulos' panel this AM (not a lot of happy campers), Trump did knock Jeb and all the others far worse than him out of contention. Can't everybody agree that's a good thing?

16 posted on 11/13/2016 9:45:37 AM PST by grania
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17 posted on 11/13/2016 9:45:49 AM PST by eaglestar
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ALL VOTES MATTER ?

I feel every ballot, absentee or otherwise, should be counted, otherwise many people went to the extent of getting an absentee ballot for NOTHING?

WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD EVERY VOTE COUNTS...MAKE THEM ALL COUNT..


18 posted on 11/13/2016 9:46:21 AM PST by haircutter (D)
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Interesting point. Thank you. Good post.


19 posted on 11/13/2016 9:47:18 AM PST by Starboard
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Which makes absolutely no sense, since there were other items on the ballots that were cast. If they have to process the ballots for the other items, they should count every part.


20 posted on 11/13/2016 9:48:06 AM PST by Spirit of Liberty (It's morning in America again!)
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