Posted on 11/12/2014 4:50:02 AM PST by LeoMcNeil
MIT economist Johnathan Gruber is the architect of both Romneycare and Obamacare. Speaking to a group of like minded progressives last year Gruber declared that “lack of transparency is a huge political advantage.” He went on to declare “and basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.” He’s referencing, in part, the Obamacare tax. The administration and the Democrats had to hide from the American people to true cost of Obamacare. If voters knew the cost they wouldn’t support Obamacare. Thus it had to be hidden from the public and the Democrats could hide the truth because the public is to stupid to figure it out.
Gruber has since apologized for calling voters stupid. Such an apology is hollow and meaningless. By not calling the individual mandate a tax, the Democrats saved themselves from a massive CBO score on tax costs. Had the CBO scored Obamacare with the individual mandate tax, the Democrats wouldn’t have been able to push through the law. Gruber admits that the country was lied to and he admits that progressive Democrats believe we were to stupid to figure it all out. Interestingly the public has never supported Obamacare and never believed all of the pie in the sky figures about it. The Democrats lost two midterm elections, in part because of Obamacare. In the very least flipping 64 House seats in 2010 is sufficient evidence that the public isn’t quite as stupid as the progressives believe we are.
Gruber acknowledges what we’ve always known about progressives. The ends justify the means. For people like Gruber and Obama, it’s okay to lie to the public if it’s for the right cause. In the case of Obamacare, they apparently believe this was a right enough cause to lie to the public about. Of course the individual mandate tax isn’t the only thing they lied about, they’ve also lied about how many people would actually sign up for Obamacare. For the CBO they estimated 13 million would sign up in the second year. Earlier this week they predicted 9-10 million. With fewer actually enrolled, it’s unlikely Obamacare will come anywhere near breaking even. Had the CBO scored Obamacare with fewer predicted enrollees, the cost would have been to great for the Democrats to push it through Congress. Of course who could forget Obama’s absurd claims that Obamacare would reduce premiums by $2,500 or that we would be able to keep our doctor. Like the Obamacare tax, the progressives knew all along these claims weren’t true but they claimed them anyway because the ends justify the means.
The nice thing about Obamacare is that it has exposed the progressives for the lying manipulators they are. For all the excitement around hope and change in 2008, the public has soured on big government progressiveness. Obamacare alone has given us the individual mandate tax that we were lied to about. The government couldn’t get a website up and running last year in time for their open enrollment period. It took them months to fix the problem despite having three years to build the website and despite months of claiming everything was fine. This year they’re trying to come up with contingency plans because they’re still not confident the website will be able to handle all of their anticipated traffic. Between all of the lying and incompetence, Obamacare remains as unpopular today as it was when it was passed.
No doubt the progressives will tell us everything is working out great with Obamacare. There’s no reason to trust these people, they’re admitted liars. The Obamacare house of cards is going to topple one way or another. Either the Supreme Court will rule that subsidies aren’t available to people buying on the Federal exchange (the law specifically limits subsidies to purchasers on state exchanges only) which will topple the whole law or it will collapse because insurance companies start losing massive amounts of money due to the fact that people aren’t buying policies. More specifically the right people aren’t buying policies, those being the young and healthy. Had the progressives told us the truth about Obamacare, the bill never would have passed. For them the ends justify the means but you have to wonder if the entire law collapses whether that end will be worth the means. Single payer is highly unlikely at this point and the credibility of big government progressives has been shot. In the end, will it have been worth it?
> Those liberals are smart enought to figure out what’s good for them.
Based on the last 6 years I’m not so sure about that...: )
I vaguely recall a similar revelation released shortly after the ‘bill’ ‘passed’.
Anyone out there remember more specifics?
Perhaps the speaker then did not have as much ‘cred’ as gruber
Progressives have perpetrated the biggest lie on the American public in history, and I’m not talking about Obolacare, I’m talking about the entire reign of the Democrats during this administration. They are all in on the scam. They all believe they are the smartest kids in class and lying to impose their beliefs is just another day at work for them.
Obola lied to get elected, Nazi Pelousey lied about his eligibility, and the entire progressive agenda is built on progressive lies dreamed up by cloistered academics that have convinced themselves that their brains are bigger and their ideas are better than the empirical information provided by all of history.
This equates to a tyranny of lies and treason on the part of the liars. Way past time to freshen the tree of liberty.
They understand that they have to lie.
The twisted part is in their justification for having to lie.
If we had to lie to get our agenda passed, we’d look at the agenda askance and ask what’s wrong with it that so many disagree with it.
Leftists look at the electorate as being in the wrong, inherently inferior, and incapable of understanding the intent of their agenda. In other words, they take disagreement with their agenda as proof of its superiority.
Democraticunderground.com ranks up there...
One list of liberal websites; disregard the MSM listed of course:
http://wittymisfitsinc.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/the-50-most-popular-liberal-websites-ranked/
> Quote: “The comments in the video were made at an academic conference. I was speaking off the cuff and I basically spoke inappropriately and I regret having made those comments.”
In other words you got caught telling people how you really feel. Busted!
Since he's surrounded by 0bamabots, I can't help but agree with his conclusion.
After all, they (along with criminal aliens and rigged voting machines) elected a commie foreign bastard TWICE!
“had to lie so that the CBO would not score it as a tax.”
Apparently they think John Roberts is stupid too.
And apparently he is.
Got caught letting a “truthy” out.
And it was the same arrogance that was behind the lie that made him brag about it.
Mitt Romney caught Holy Raging Hell for saying that just under half of the voters were stupid.
Irony: The Mark of Quality Literature
Well, in a perverted way, I’d grudgingly agree too. It has often been said that when liberals have to reveal the actual truth of the aims behind any effort, they lose. Their entire platform is built on misleading and outright lies intended to appeal to victim groups, ideological zealots and idiots who will avid believe IF they are given their unearned due.
What do you mean Republicans had to lay over and play dead? Not a single Republican voted for Obamacare. They fought it all the way.
Liberal sites would delete this post or otherwise bury it without discussion. They don’t like dissent.
You left out one of the biggest groups of leftist supporters -
those who seek their own righteousness through their advocacy.
“I want to help all people get affordable healthcare, so in supporting this law, I’m a good person.”
Seriously, I think this is the largest part of the left’s base. And they
DON’T WANT TO BELIEVE, AND REFUSE TO HEAR,
how what they support is actually harmful.
Yes. In my defense, however, the Democrat League of Evil has so many contingents it is nigh on impossible to keep track of them all.
This is why we had to “pass it to see what’s in it.” Not a g*ddamn one of them read the bill at all. Too bad we can’t table a Democrat-written law for a year so that all can review and comment on it.
The repeal should have been in the works from the day it was put into law.
There is certainly enough about it that is irregular and illicit for them to have been challenging it from the day it was enacted.
Even with their lies, the Rats NEVER had the support of the majority of the people.
The repeal has been in the works since the Republicans took control of the House. So far the multiple repeal bills passed by the House have died in the Senate. I suspect early next year the Congress will send Obama a repeal bill which he will promptly veto.
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