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'Clinton Democrats' falling flat
The Hill ^ | October 19, 2014 | Peter Sullivan and Bernie Becker

Posted on 10/19/2014 8:05:25 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

Self-proclaimed Clinton Democrats are struggling this election cycle, and not even their powerful namesakes may be enough to save them.

Both Bill and Hillary Clinton have tried to turn on their charms to help centrist Democrats in Kentucky and Arkansas. But as candidates in both states are slipping, help from the party’s preeminent power couple is falling short.

In Kentucky, Alison Lundergan Grimes has clung tightly to both Bill and Hillary Clinton as she tries to unseat Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell(R).

The former president has already campaigned with the Democratic hopeful twice and will head to the Bluegrass State again next week. The former secretary of state held a rally with Grimes on Wednesday, coming as Grimes kept emphasizing she was a "Clinton Democrat through and through” after flatly refusing to say whether she voted for President Obama.

The former president — a master of the retail politics central to places like Arkansas — is the featured guest in his native state this weekend. There, Democrats are trying to save vulnerable Sen. Mark Pryor (D) and push former Rep. Mike Ross (D) into the governor’s mansion. Pryor even took a selfie on stage with Clinton this month, in an attempt to illustrate how close he is to his state’s favorite son.

Despite their close ties to the Clintons, their efforts to distance themselves from a deeply unpopular current president may not work.

That raises questions not only for Hillary Clinton as she ponders a 2016 White House bid, but also for the Democratic Party as it finds itself increasingly unsuccessful in the Deep South and Appalachia.

‘I’m constantly puzzled when other people are surprised that there hasn’t been this Democratic revival in the South,” said Thomas Schaller, a professor at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, who has argued that Democrats need to make the South less of a priority. “My feeling is that the underlying fundamentals in the region work against the Democrats.’

Clinton allies and longtime observers of the 42nd president and his wife say that if anyone can make Southern states a battleground in 2016 – and at least force the GOP to use valuable resources to keep the South red – it’s Hillary Clinton.

There’s plenty of reason to believe the Clintons view the situation the same way. The former president will follow up his three-day swing through Arkansas this weekend with a trip to Louisiana to stump for Sen. Mary Landrieu on Monday, in another attempt to help the vulnerable Democrat. Hillary Clinton will campaign with Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) next Saturday.

"These appearances are really the beginning of their campaign to redefine the Democratic Party in their own image, [to] a party that can carry states like this," said Al Cross, a veteran journalist and University of Kentucky professor.

"I think the Clintons believe they can carry Kentucky and I think that's one reason why we'll see them here again," Cross added, also pointing to the Clintons’ longstanding friendship with Grimes’ father, Jerry Lundergan.

Clinton allies also insist that both Bill and Hillary have the sort of innate understanding of Southerners that has become increasingly rare within the Democratic Party. While more of the party’s base increasingly lives urban areas, they are among the few surrogates who can reach blue-collar and rural voters.

Paul Begala, a Texan and former Clinton adviser, said the Clintons ‘love Southerners, and I think that is reciprocated.“

"It's as simple as that,” Begala wrote in an email. ‘They don't view us as some kind of weird alien being. They see us as their friends and neighbors and cousins and friends - because we are."

Hillary Clinton even leads some potential GOP rivals in very early presidential polling in states like Georgia and Kentucky, and could expect a higher, more diverse turnout in a presidential year. The South’s changing demographics – eight of the 10 states with the fastest-growing Hispanic populations are in the region – would also help a 2016 Clinton campaign.

But the problems facing incumbents even like Landrieu and Pryor, who come from perhaps the preeminent Democratic families in their respective states, underscore the difficulties Democrats face in the South.

Rep. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), the Harvard-educated Iraq War veteran challenging Pryor, has tried to downplay Clinton's role to focus on Obama.

“I’m not worried about Bill Clinton’s support for Mark Pryor," Cotton told ABC News. "I’m worried about Mark Pryor’s support for Barack Obama."

Obama captured as few as one of every 10 white voters in some Southern states in both 2008 and 2012. Even in his overwhelming 2008 victory, Obama captured fewer votes than the Democrats’ 2004 nominee, John Kerry, in dozens of rural counties in places like Arkansas and Kentucky that were both overwhelmingly white and with comparatively few college graduates.

Since then, Democrats in Arkansas lost control of the state legislature for the first time since Reconstruction. In Kentucky, voters are also now more likely to call themselves Republicans than Democrats.

Bill Clinton carried Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee and Kentucky in his 1992 and 1996 presidential wins, at a time when many more voters remembered the days of Democratic dominance in the South before the Civil Rights movement and after Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal.

That gives some Clinton backers hope that Hillary could combine the support her husband found among white working-class voters in those states with the coalition – highly educated, often suburban voters – that Obama used to capture Virginia and Florida twice and North Carolina in 2008.

"You put a Democrat with 20 percent of the white vote in Mississippi and it becomes in play," said Skip Rutherford, dean of the Clinton School of Public Service at the University of Arkansas and a longtime friend of the Clintons.

Schaller agrees that no Democratic candidate is likely to do better than Hillary Clinton in the South in 2016. But he also stressed that even if Clinton does well in the South in 2016, that doesn’t mean a broader Democratic renaissance is coming below the Mason-Dixon line.

"I think she’s a good test case for how competitive the Democrats can be in the South, because she can pair her husband’s appeal in the more rural South and presumably draw support in the places where Obama did well,” Schaller said. “If she can’t start flipping states, then who is?“


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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The same faction that derailed her previous trek to her coronation are working to prohibit Hillary again.

The media and the Clintonistas fawn over the Clintons, but they do not represent the entirety of the Dem party.

Look for another surprise challenger.

Right now, it seems the big push is for Senator Native American Princess. The Senator Princess has more things going for her than Hillary does: light political trail, no major political disasters, youthful compared to the aged Hillary. She is also female, which would give the Dems crowing rights by nominating a female to the top job.


21 posted on 10/19/2014 8:45:07 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ClearCase_guy

This piece was certainly worshipful.


22 posted on 10/19/2014 8:46:15 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“It’s as simple as that,” Begala wrote in an email. ‘They don’t view us as some kind of weird alien being. They see us as their friends and neighbors and cousins and friends -(and shyster brother-in-law, and crazy aunt in the attic) because we are.”


23 posted on 10/19/2014 8:46:49 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All
*chuckling!*
Clinton D’Rats are flaccid. 😃

24 posted on 10/19/2014 8:48:08 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Liberalism to Fabianism to Socialism to Marxism to Totalitarianism.. "the inertia of stupidity" d8-)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; All
the last 2 lines, said it all; the RWR years,
were wonderful.. "the shining city upon the hill,"

since then, We've been ruled by D'Rats and RINOs weaklings.
GHWB,WJBC,GWB & "BATHHOUSE" E'BOLA.


25 posted on 10/19/2014 9:06:49 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Liberalism to Fabianism to Socialism to Marxism to Totalitarianism.. "the inertia of stupidity" d8-)
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To: skinkinthegrass

Exactly.


26 posted on 10/19/2014 9:08:17 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“Self-proclaimed Clinton Democrats are struggling this election cycle, and not even their powerful namesakes may be enough to save them.”

Huh?

I seem to recall that bozo kicked their ass.


27 posted on 10/19/2014 9:18:54 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“to help centrist Democrats”

That is just to funny. A centrist dimoKKKRAT, bwahahahahaha, hahahahahaha, hehehehehehe.


28 posted on 10/19/2014 9:21:22 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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This is the mother of Webb Hubbel’s daughter we’re talking about, people!


29 posted on 10/19/2014 9:31:59 AM PDT by IncPen (None of this would be happening if John Boehner were alive...)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

She is a former N.Y. Senator-she has nothing in common with the South.


30 posted on 10/19/2014 10:52:46 AM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: fortheDeclaration

I’ve heard that some in Arkansas were upset that the Clintons didn’t move back to Arkansas after Bill’s time as president was over.

Instead they bought a house in New York, even though Hillary claims they were broke then, so that they could pretend to be residents of New York for Hillary to run for Senate.

Why didn’t Hillary return to Arkansas and run for Senate from there?? Nobody ever asks these sorts of questions.


31 posted on 10/19/2014 10:55:48 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I seem to remember that the Clintons have always had negative coattails....oh, and this southerner doesn’t like Bubba the Rapist and his Trotskyite wife.


32 posted on 10/19/2014 11:32:36 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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To: Dan in Wichita
The sad fact remains that of all the people in America today, it is Hillary Clinton who has the best chance of moving into the White House on Jan 20, 2017. It does not matter that her policies would differ little from Obama's. That is how stupid the average American voter is. 16 posted on ‎10‎/‎19‎/‎2014‎ ‎10‎:‎29‎:‎20‎ ‎AM by Dan in Wichita

Now here's someone in Wichita who understands the American people. Dan, I wish you were wrong.

33 posted on 10/19/2014 11:50:30 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Liberals keep winning; so the American people must now be all-liberal all the time.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Maybe the Democrats can carry Georgia if they nominate Elizabeth Warren—giving Georgians a chance to atone for the sin of their ancestors when they stole the land of her Cherokee ancestors.


34 posted on 10/19/2014 2:49:25 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Theodore R.

I wish I was wrong too. I am not ready to concede to Hillary, but we have to understand that with the propaganda machine of the Left, combined with the stupidity/ignorance/apathy/amoral nature of the average American voter, it will be tough to keep her (or some other committed Leftist) out of the White House. This, in spite of the destruction wrought by another Leftist, Barack Obama.


35 posted on 10/19/2014 2:57:29 PM PDT by Dan in Wichita
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