Posted on 03/02/2014 3:59:10 PM PST by Errant
As the book of the Revelation comes to a close, we are left with some very important words. Keep his commandments, know his Torah, and make yourself ready to be the bride of the King. He is coming quickly. Join Michael Rood for the final episode in the series From Here to Eternity – Yeshua’s Famous Last Words: Amen, Emet, Truth.
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So if Jesus is God and the Father is God do you serve two Gods or is it a duality type God?
I can only speak for myself GPH. I don't belong to any 'cult', as you love to use that word in reference to the belief of others who differ with you.
I'm not anti-Trinitarian. I can certainly see where that idea comes from. I also see the other side of the issue in scripture. IMO, there isn't enough to justify a declaration of either as I've told you about 100 times now. You're welcome to show me where the scriptures mention the 'trinity' if you wish.
Again, I'm all about the truth! Putting words in someone's mouth and making false assertions of something said that wasn't said isn't what Yeshua taught. It certainly seems we follow different teachings/spirits.
You're too funny metmom! LOLOL!!!
So is that only the ethnic descendents of the 11 tribes that are the “lost sheep”? Do people need to get DNA tests to know for sure?
So tell us the truth. Is there one God, two Gods or what?
>> “Anything God wanted us to know is already in Scripture...” <<
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Yes, it is and you are carefully ignoring just about every bit of it to protect your flimsy beliefs that defy the entirety of scripture.
Your empty ‘grace’ is well defined in James’ epistle, and you choke on that epistle every time it is posted here, in whole or in part.
For you and the rest of the empty gracers to be right, Yeshua, Paul, James, Peter, and John all have to be dead wrong. You don’t have the slightest idea what this ‘grace’ you attempt to invoke even is, but because you invented it, you know that it cancels out every one of Yehova’s commandments.
Good luck on that!
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Why don't you argue with what Yeshua had to say about it, as recorded by John:
John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. 22 Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.
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Tis the prerogative of Christianity. Any group that denies the trinity is, by definition, a cult, by our own reckoning. Attempting to argue liberal relativism with the Christian world exposes your delusion and stupidity.
I'm not anti-Trinitarian.
If you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, you are, by definition, anti-trinitarian. Unless you prefer a nicer term? Maybe, NON-Trinitarian? Whatever the case, you deny the fundamentals of Christianity, and therefore the Roodite cult cannot be called Christian. I can certainly see where that idea comes from. I also see the other side of the issue in scripture.
How then do you explain the comment you just wrote to me? Are you willing to argue against the divinity of Christ, or aren't you? You must pick one. You can't expect me to sit here dealing with your heresies, while at the same time you refuse to owe them. Be proud, like your Roodite bretheren, who do not blush to condemn the doctrines of Christianity. I can only speak for myself GPH.
What does that mean? That you, and your Roodite friends, who just happen to all deny the Trinity, aren't representative of Rood's teachings? What is Rood's views on the divinity of Christ? Does he believe Jesus Christ is the one, true, almighty God, second person of the trinity?
>> “So tell us the truth. Is there one God, two Gods or what?” <<
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Keep on with your false argument, since you lost the real argument a long time ago!
Creating a false, non scriptural doctrine like the trinity, and then using it to invent your own god is a fool’s pastime.
Yehova is Elohim, Yeshua is the very same Elohim, born into the body of a man when his spirit conceived in Mary’s womb.
That does not equate to anything that is not stated in the word.
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Come to think of it, do YOU even know what grace is? Could you please tell us:
1) Is grace earned? 2) Can grace be lost? 3) What does grace even do, if anything?
You really are becoming a bore GPH. Why don't you and CB find something to fight about, as you both seem to love a good argument. The more moronic the better, while you're looking for something you two can argue about.
>> “Any group that denies the trinity is, by definition, a cult” <<
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Any man that thinks he can define what is a cult outside of what is written in the word is a complete buffoon unworthy of further discussion!
There is no ‘Trinity’ mentioned or defined in any of the scriptures.
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I think we can safely put to rest Errant's lie about their non-opposition to the Trinity! But here's a twist!: Yehova is Elohim, Yeshua is the very same Elohim, born into the body of a man when his spirit conceived in Mary’s womb.
I could have sworn you goobers told me the exact opposite in one of these threads, denying the divinity of Jesus Christ. Now it appears you preach a form of modalism, where the persons of the Godhead are conflated. So you think that Jesus IS God, but that He is just a mode of the Father.
In that case, can either you an Errant please explain how the Father can be "with" Himself as a separate individual, who prays to Himself, and sits on His own right hand? For example:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1)
In #47 you don’t tell us if that is One God or Two Gods. Which is it. Are Jesus and the Father each a separate God in your belief?
>> “If you deny the divinity of Jesus Christ, you are, by definition, anti-trinitarian.” <<
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Nobody has denied the divinity of Yeshua.
You have nothing but that worn out strawman to beat to death.
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The hypocrisy of this, of course, is that your cult calls all of us "pagans" exactly because of what we believe. Isn't this what all the cults say anyway? From the Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, and now to the Roodites? Why should Christians accept you into the fold as Christian, when you do not have Christian beliefs?
Gal_1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
So did Jesus pray to Himself when He prayed or to a different person in the same God?
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But aren’t you here to teach us Errant? Surely you can tell us if Jesus and the Father are two separate entities, one entity in two persons, or what?
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