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To: CynicalBear; Errant; Greetings_Puny_Humans

>> “So tell us the truth. Is there one God, two Gods or what?” <<

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Keep on with your false argument, since you lost the real argument a long time ago!

Creating a false, non scriptural doctrine like the trinity, and then using it to invent your own god is a fool’s pastime.

Yehova is Elohim, Yeshua is the very same Elohim, born into the body of a man when his spirit conceived in Mary’s womb.

That does not equate to anything that is not stated in the word.
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50 posted on 03/02/2014 8:45:01 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; redleghunter; CynicalBear; Errant
Creating a false, non scriptural doctrine like the trinity, and then using it to invent your own god is a fool’s pastime.

I think we can safely put to rest Errant's lie about their non-opposition to the Trinity! But here's a twist!: Yehova is Elohim, Yeshua is the very same Elohim, born into the body of a man when his spirit conceived in Mary’s womb.

I could have sworn you goobers told me the exact opposite in one of these threads, denying the divinity of Jesus Christ. Now it appears you preach a form of modalism, where the persons of the Godhead are conflated. So you think that Jesus IS God, but that He is just a mode of the Father.

In that case, can either you an Errant please explain how the Father can be "with" Himself as a separate individual, who prays to Himself, and sits on His own right hand? For example:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1)

54 posted on 03/02/2014 8:50:05 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: editor-surveyor; Errant; Greetings_Puny_Humans
>> Yehova is Elohim, Yeshua is the very same Elohim, born into the body of a man when his spirit conceived in Mary’s womb.<<

So did Jesus pray to Himself when He prayed or to a different person in the same God?

58 posted on 03/02/2014 8:54:41 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: editor-surveyor

“Yehova is Elohim, Yeshua is the very same Elohim, born into the body of a man when his spirit conceived in Mary’s womb....”

Don’t forget the Holy Spirit, now! That brings us up to three. And do please remember that the FIRST COMMANDMENT is rendered invalid by the conflicting recollections of the memories of Matt, Mark, Luke, and John.


73 posted on 03/03/2014 7:23:19 AM PST by golux
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To: editor-surveyor; Errant

I would have liked to have entered the fray (lol) early on, but such is the disruption of being an OTR driver.

**Yehova is Elohim, Yeshua is the very same Elohim, born into the body of a man when his spirit conceived in Mary’s womb.**

??’born’?? Elohim has no beginning, no birth. The soul of the Son of God is the first born of every creature. The “body thou hast prepared me” came later.

Every one seems to want to define the Godhead in ‘their own words’. Nothing wrong with that. But, the Christ, and his apostles do far better:

John 1:18. “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosm of the Father, he hath declared him.”

1Timothy 3:16 “And without controversy great is the mystery of Godliness: God was manifest in the flesh”..(not ‘born’, but visibly expressed to mankind)..”justified in the Spirit,”..(the words and works of God proving the Christ’s annointing)..”seen of angels, PREACHED unto the GENTILES, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

“..true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit:”..(not a man)..”and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth”. John 4:23,24

“Father, the hour is come....that they may know thee the ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” John 17:1-3

The Christ explains THOROUGHLY that the Father is a Spirit, and that he is in the Father and the Father in him. He shows that everything he did in word or deed was by the power of the Father in him. He testifies of the Holy Ghost proceeding from the Father, and by that Spirit, doing works of the Father. But, says that the Comforter is going to make believers do similar, even greater works.

John witnessed to this, saying, “No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is PERFECTED in us.”..(which includes the ability to testify without carnal pride and arrogance)..”Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit”. 1John 4:12,13

While you proclaim one God, and refuse (correctly) a three separate and distinct persons Godhead, you seem to portray God to be two persons. Also, do you ever use the terms “God the Son”, or “God the Holy Ghost”?


848 posted on 03/08/2014 11:55:48 AM PST by Zuriel (Acts 2:38,39....nearly 2,000 years and still working today!)
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