Posted on 01/20/2014 1:42:16 PM PST by mhutcheson
President Lincoln has been all but deified in America, with a god-like giant statue at a Parthenon-like memorial in Washington. Generations of school children have been indoctrinated with the story that Honest Abe Lincoln is a national hero who saved the Union and fought a noble war to end slavery, and that the evil Southern states seceded from the Union to protect slavery. This is the Yankee myth of history, written and promulgated by Northerners, and it is a complete falsity. It was produced and entrenched in the culture in large part to gloss over the terrible war crimes committed by Union soldiers in the War Between the States, as well as Lincolns violations of the law, his shredding of the Constitution, and other reprehensible acts. It has been very effective in keeping the average American ignorant of the real causes of the war, and the real nature, character and record of Lincoln. Let us look at some unpleasant facts.
In his first inaugural address, Lincoln stated clearly that (1) he had no legal authority to interfere with slavery where it existed, (2) that he had no inclination or intention to do so even if he had the legal authority, (3) that he would enforce the Fugitive Slave Act, returning runaway slaves escaping to the North to their masters in the South, and (4) that he fully supported the Thirteenth Amendment then being debated in Congress which would protect slavery in perpetuity and was irrevocable. He later famously stated, Do not paint me with the Abolitionist brush.
Although there was some opposition to slavery in the country, the government was willing to concede everything the South wanted regarding slavery to keep it in the Union. Given all these facts, the idea that the South seceded to protect slavery is as absurd as the idea that Lincoln fought the war to end slavery. Lincoln himself said in a famous letter after the war began that his sole purpose was to save the Union, and not to either save or end slavery; that if he could save the Union without freeing a single slave, he would. Nothing could be clearer.
For decades before the war, the South, through harsh tariffs, had been supplying about 85% of the countrys revenue, nearly all of which was being spent in the North to boost its economy, build manufacturing, infrastructure, railroads, canals, etc. With the passage of the 47% Morrill Tariff the final nail was in the coffin. The South did not secede to protect slavery, although certainly they wished to protect it; they seceded over a dispute about unfair taxation, an oppressive Federal government, and the right to separate from that oppression and be governed by consent, exactly the same issues over which the Founding Fathers fought the Revolutionary War. When a member of Lincolns cabinet suggested he let the South go in peace, Lincoln famously replied, Let the South go? Where, then, would we get our revenue! He then launched a brutal, empirical war to keep the free and sovereign states, by force of arms, in the Union they had created and voluntarily joined, and then voluntarily left. This began his reign of terror.
Lincoln was the greatest tyrant and despot in American history. In the first four months of his presidency, he created a complete military dictatorship, destroyed the Constitution, ended forever the constitutional republic which the Founding Fathers instituted, committed horrendous crimes against civilian citizens, and formed the tyrannical, overbearing and oppressive Federal government which the American people suffer under to this day. In his first four months, he
Four months after Fort Sumter, when Lincoln finally called Congress back into session, no one dared oppose anything he wanted or speak out against him for fear of imprisonment, so completely had he entrenched his unilateral power and silenced his other many critics. The Union army, under Generals Grant, Sherman, Sheridan and President Lincoln, committed active genocide against Southern civilians---this is difficult for some to believe, but it is explicit in their writings and dispatches at the time and indisputable in their actions. Tens of thousands of Southern men, women and children---civilians---white and black, slave and free alike---were shot, hanged, raped, imprisoned without trial, their homes, lands and possessions stolen, pillaged and burned, in one of the most horrific and brutal genocides ever inflicted upon a people anywhere; but the Yankee myth of history is silent in these well-documented matters. For an excellent expose of these war crimes and their terrible extent, see War Crimes Against Southern Civilians by Walter Brian Cisco (Pelican Publishing Co. 2007, ISBN 9871589804661).
Only after the Union had suffered two years of crushing defeats in battle did Lincoln resolve to emancipate the slaves, and only as a war measure, a military tactic, not for moral or humanitarian purposes. He admitted this, remarking, We must change tactics or lose the game. He was hoping, as his original draft of the document shows, that a slave uprising would occur, making it harder for Southerners to continue the war. His only interest in freeing the slaves was in forcing the South to remain in the Union. His Emancipation Proclamation was denounced by Northerners, Southerners and Europeans alike for its absurdity and hypocrisy; for, it only freed the slaves in the seceded states---where he could not reach them---and kept slavery intact in the North and the border states---where he could have freed them at once.
The Gettysburg Address, the most famous speech in American history, is an absurd piece of war rhetoric and a poetry of lies. We were not engaged in a great Civil War, to see whether that nation, or any nation so conceived, can long endure. The South was engaged in a War of Independence from a tyrannical North, and after having legally seceded, wished only to be let alone. The North was engaged in a war of empire, to keep the South involuntarily under its yoke. Government of the people, by the people and for the people would not have perished from the earth had the North lost the war; on the contrary, it perished in the United States when the North won the war; for, freely representative government, by consent of the governed, is exactly what the South was fighting for and exactly what Lincolns military victory destroyed.
The checks and balances of powers, the separation of powers, the constitutional constraints so carefully and deliberately put into place by the Founding Fathers, had all been destroyed in Lincolns first months. The Republic which the Founders gave us had been completely destroyed and a new nation-state was set up; one in which the free and sovereign States would afterward be only vassals and tributaries, slaves to an all-powerful, oppressive Federal government. This new nation-state is completely different in both nature and consequence to the original American Republic. One only has to look around today to see the end results and legacy of Lincolns war, his destruction of freedom, and his institution of despotic, centralized governmental power and tyranny.
In retrospect, it is a tragedy that John Wilkes Booth did not act four years earlier. Slavery would have ended naturally, as it has everywhere else (except in African and Arab states); the American Republic, liberty, and 700,000 lives would have been saved, and untold thousands of those young men would have lived to contribute their ingenuity, inventions, creativity and talents to the political, economic, literary, scientific and social legacy of our people. And the greatest despotic tyrant in American history would never have gained the foothold of power or been able to establish the oppressive and omnipotent Federal government we all suffer under today.
Don’t feel bad Reb. I voted for McCain and Romney too.
Incorrect.
The South mandated equal pay for all soldiers, Black and White alike.
Citation please
The North paid Black soldiers $10/mo minus a $3/mo clothing fee, while Whites werent charged a clothing fee and were salaried at $13/mo, effecting about a 46% pay cut for Blacks in the North.
Citation please
The Confederacy had already outlawed overseas slave trade by 1863 and allowed individual states to outlaw slavery.
There's nothing in the cornfederate constitution that spoke to allowing individual states to outlaw slavery. To the contrary, there was explicit verbiage that prevented any individual state from interfering in the practice by any other state:
Article IV Section 2(1) The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired.Union states still had legalized slavery at least 3 years after the War in Missouri, Maryland, Delaware and Kentucky.
Not true. The Thirteenth Amendment was adopted on December 6, 1865
The South wasnt without racism as declared in his Cornerstone Speech. Vice President Alexander Stephens, declared that the cornerstone of the new government rest[ed] upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slaverysubordination to the superior raceis his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth.
OK
It should also be noted that the Emancipation Proclamation failed to remove Indentured Servitude as a legitimate form of slavery for whites.
That's because it didn't have the power to do so.
Historians of the period noted the White indentured servers were frequently maltreated to the point of death, whereas Black slaves were well provided because they were a longer term investment. The indentured servitude might only last 3-10 years, whereas the slave was considered property of his owner to be properly cared for as human livestock.
Irrelevant
White slavery and indentured servitude far exceeded Black slavery in North America through about mid 1600s, and by 1700, about 45% of immigrants were indentured servants, with white slaves and indentured servants numbering about the same and Black slaves in N America. (S America and Latin speaking areas were much more heavily Black slave numbered than the N American English areas)
I doubt it but nonetheless irrelevant
Hey Poindexter, here’s an example of what I’m talking about. Check out ‘’central va’’s post #279.
You said it.
Words are tumbling out of your mouth and you have no idea what they mean. That's the only thing I can conclude from this conversation.
Your reference to post 279 is equally nonsensical. I fail to see what bearing it has on the insult you leveled at Southern Freepers -- and yes, it was an insult. Google the word, 'Dixiecrat' if you think it wasn't.
Enough.
Thanks for conceding the point. And the argument. Fini.
Windflier is correct Jmacusa - Dixicrat was a specific term given to southern democrats who voted Republican in order to oppose Truman. The term only came into use in 1948. It isn’t synonymous with “southerner” or “southern conservative”
I don’t doubt that most of our southern FRiends - like Windflier here - are conservatives....just like I don’t doubt that FRiends from northern states are conservatives as well.
So in your original comment about the 19th century south being democrat - that’s true - but the second part about contemporary southern conservatives - that’s not accurate.
“Lincoln view the USA as an empire not a republic.”
That is a completely false claim. “We are a great empire” was a factual statement about the Republic having overall sovereignty over vast domains of states, territories, and possessions. Historically the Athenian republic was also characterized as a great empire despite having no monarchial rulers at the time. Lincoln was using the word in that context as was allowed for in the dictionaries of his era.
Empires are typically assumed to be monarchial in nature because there were so few Republics in his preceding history and fewer still that were Republics having no monarch as its soverign ruler. The United States was the notable exception which Lincoln was recognizing in his statement about the exceptionalism of the United States of America.
“He also wanted to keep the territories for ‘free white men’.”
No, that is not the meaning of what Lincoln had to say, because you are misreading it. The quoatation, “they should be kept open for the homes of free white people,” was a phrase meant to indicate the new state or states should not have their land taken up by pro-slavery plantations and owners who would use their greater access to large amounts of debt capital based upon slave labor to deny these lands to the free white farmers who lacked the fiscal advantages associated with slavery. Free non-white farmers, ranchers, and others were already taking advantage of the freedoms available in the territories of the West unavailable in the Eastern states, so the phrasing could not have excluded what was already present.
Those are disgraceful words for ANY President to utter. In Lincoln's case he RULED like he thought he was Caesar so what he said is fitting-for him.
Thomas Jefferson coined the term "Empire of Liberty" to describe the United States. Do you find that offensive too?
I don’t think any President should use the word empire to describe the USA. Empire of Liberty, I guess....
I've conceded nothing, and this isn't an argument. It's my objection to your stupid slandering of Southern Freepers, and your refusal to admit it and apologize.
Any halfwit reading this exchange can see that.
Ok fine.I concede the point. I’ll admit I should have narrowed it down then’’rockrr’’ to those southerners who seem to only show up on these Civil War threads almost piously claiming to be ‘’conservatives’’ yet swoon all over Lee and Davis and the Confederacy.That only tells me they’re phonies at the very least or hypocrites in the extreme. The prevailing message in all these Civil War threads that I’ve seen here is a slight bow to the flaw in the Souths reasons for the War but the not too subtle message that somehow ‘’The (Lost) Cause’’ was some noble effort on the part of the gentlemanly, agricultural South to preserve and maintain some sort of a near Camelot-like existence of kindly white masters and happy darkies in the face of the brutal, industrial North and all those horrible Yankees and well, quite frankly it pisses me off. Perhaps I’ve missed those threads that give a different perspective on The Civil War like maybe some Southern historian maybe apologizing for the destruction, death and misery caused by those Southern plutocrats and their ‘’cause’’. And as for Dixiecrats? Well sorry to say but George Wallace, Lester Maddox, Ross Barnett and others like them, be gone from this earth are still of recent memory to make that term relevant. I’ll stop using it when those Southerners stop throwing around epithets like “Yankee’’(never liked that word) and “Lincoln bootlicker’’ among others. Fair enough?
You seem to be the only southern FReeper offended chum. Don’t you think that’s assuming a bit much to speak for so many others? Have a look at the post underneath this one and then do me a favor put a sock in it, ok Reb?
Don't be an ass. Just because this thread is now buried, and few are reading it, doesn't make your insult any less offensive. If you'd made the same comment at the top of a new thread that attracted lots of attention, you'd now be surrounded by pissed off posters.
You seem like a smart fella, but you've got people issues. You're plainly in the wrong here, but can't admit it. Whatever. I'm done.
“People issues’’? Hardly. We never more accurately describe the nature of ourselves than when we are attempting to describe the nature of another as you’ve been doing to me all afternoon. In closing, learn to speak for yourself by yourself and don’t assume you speak for so many others unless you’ve been asked to. Adios.
Nice try, but I didn't make you out to be an inconsiderate, unmanly boor. You did that all by yourself. The proof is in the thread, for anyone who cares to look.
Later.
Are you ever going to shut up?
Excuse me? I'm merely replying to you. You might try refraining from posting to me. I bet that'll work.
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