Posted on 09/25/2013 9:05:21 PM PDT by JOHN W K
I heard Mark Levin this evening once again encouraging the call for an Article V convention purportedly to restore our constitutionally limited system of government. What Mark Levin does not caution his listening audience about is, that “we the people”, ordinary productive American Citizens, would not be in charge of that convention. In fact, Mark Levin’s Article V Convention if called would be controlled by the very people who now cause our miseries which are the various state Legislatures and Governors who work in concert with our federal government to enslave and plunder the wealth which Americas businesses, industries and productive working people have produced.
Is it not true that such a convention, which Madison specifically warned against, would provide the legal opportunity to make constitutional the tyranny and unconstitutional acts which our federal and state governments now rain down upon the people? This fact is indisputable, and yet, Mark Levin is insistent on calling such a convention. Why?
In addition, Mark Levin promotes, with one of his liberty amendments, a perpetuation of taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes which is the very source of power now used to enslave America’s businesses, industries and laboring class people. Why does he not promote our Constitution’s original tax plan, and especially its rule of apportionment for any general tax laid among the States which was part of the Great Compromise of the Convention of 1787? Why is it that Mark Levin, who constantly embraces the wisdom of our Founding Fathers, ignores their wisdom when it comes to taxation?
And, why is it that Mark Levin likewise ignores the wisdom of our Founding Fathers when it comes to the existing Federal Reserve System and Federal Reserve Notes having been made a legal tender for all debts public and private which was specifically forbidden by our founding fathers, and is the second tool used by our folks in government to plunder the real material wealth created by America’s businesses, industries and laboring class people?
Why is it that Mark Levin gets it wrong when it comes to the honest money and honest taxing system our founding fathers wrote into our Constitution, and prefers to keep today’s corrupted tax and money system alive and in the hands of folks in government? Try calling Marks show to ask him these questions and see how far you get!
In closing, let me once again remind you of what James Madison had to say with regard to calling an Article V Convention which was proposed to be called shortly after our existing Constitution was ratified. He wrote:
“You wish to know my sentiments on the project of another general Convention as suggested by New York. I shall give them to you with great frankness …….3. If a General Convention were to take place for the avowed and sole purpose of revising the Constitution, it would naturally consider itself as having a greater latitude than the Congress appointed to administer and support as well as to amend the system; it would consequently give greater agitation to the public mind; an election into it would be courted by the most violent partisans on both sides; it wd. probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters; would be the very focus of that flame which has already too much heated men of all parties; would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts but inadmissible in other parts of the Union might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations of the fabric. Under all these circumstances it seems scarcely to be presumable that the deliberations of the body could be conducted in harmony, or terminate in the general good. Having witnessed the difficulties and dangers experienced by the first Convention which assembled under every propitious circumstance, I should tremble for the result of a Second, meeting in the present temper of America, and under all the disadvantages I have mentioned. ….I am Dr. Sir, Yours Js. Madison Jr” ___See Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 25 March 1, 1788-December 31, 1789, James Madison to George Turberville
JWK
“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
I hate to say it, but you're probably right.
What? Senators don’t vote to ratify amendments! They are irrelevant.
I thought you were smarter than that.
It’s not a constitutional convention, its the states conferencing to offer amendments! You all need to read the book and listen to his show. There’s a difference and any amendment would have to be accepted by 34 states.
When 90% of them are liberal and pretend Republican, then they probably are irrelevant
JWK
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, (i.e., the "business cycle") the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered ___ attributed to Thomas Jefferson
JWK
If the America People do not rise up and defend their existing Constitution and the intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted, who is left to do so but the very people it was designed to control and regulate?
JWK
America will not regain her honor and splendor until the blood of tyrants is made to flow in our streets.
Not only does a new Const. Convention of any kind scare me...but also the continuance of any type of income tax
Why does this scare you! State of Texas introduces a Constitutional Amendment passes it through their legislature then after it passes it goes to another state. The Amendment can not be ratified unless 2/3 of the States pass it! If the Amendment doesn’t get enough States it dies!!!
John, This is a last resort because we have to use the last resort. Do you honestly think that the federal government will EVER disembowel itself? Grow a brain. Levin is over the target, leave this to the patriots and go back to your latest issue of the New Yorker.
Good point.
The Constitutional Convention wasn’t a Constitutional Convention. It was held to amend the Articles of Confedration. Instead, they closed their meetings to the public and started from scratch.
Oh. By the way. The Articles of Confederation had a much tougher ratification process to amend it. It required both Congress and EVERY State Legislature to approve changes. . .
They threw that out, too.
What Levin proposes is the last and only remaining chance we have.
If the states will not take back their power and control this leviathan, then the leviathan is going to eat us whole.
It’s this, or something much, much worse.
I suggest you embrace it.
He doesn’t need the money. You are both wrong.
I don’t understand why people think an an Article 5 convention means suddenly everyone turns conservative
At the end of your first paragraph I was convinced I was reading Karl Rove talking about Ted Cruz's efforts to defund Obamacare. They God for your second paragraph or I would remain deceived.
The tax code being important is like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. Yeah its a problem but bigger fish need to be fried first. That’s probably why he ignores the tax issues you bring up.
The leviathan is going to collapse and when it does, we’ll need the Constitution to fall back upon.
Open it up to a Con-Con now, and they will assemble a convention, close its doors and draft something that you won’t like, and then structure it in a way that rams it down our throats ala Obamacare.
The result will be a civil war.
Anybody arguing for an Art. V convention must, MUST first answer the following questions:
Where are the people with the wisdom of the founders who’ll run this thing, and how do they get elected to be the delegates?
No. CONGRESS must call an Art V (read it) and when it calls the convention complete with a set of rules of its own making on what can be proposed, who’s going to stop them? The same powers that stop the Supreme Court from making law from the bench? The same powers that are, right this second, preventing the President from selectively enforcing laws?
CONGRESS also gets to decide how the Convention is ratified (by State Legislatures or State Conventions) (Read Art V.) When they do so in such a way as to get what they want passed, who’s going to stop them?
You won’t get liberty amendments from an Art V. convention. You’ll get liberal ones. If you get a convention, you will also surely get a war.
You might be interested to know that Bastiat’s “The Law” he equated protection with slavery and grouped three plundering isms of communism, socialism and protectionism together.
http://mises.org/books/thelaw.pdf
Actually 10 of the states' delegates were authorized to revise the Constitution. The Constitutional convention in Philadelphia in 1787 was in no way a "rogue" or "runaway" convention which is, of course not possible when the proposed amendments created by any Article V convention must be passed by three quarters of the states sitting either in convention or by their legislatures.
Indeed they did close the doors to the convention proceedings, and thank God they did so or we would today be operating without our Constitution, probably in some state of tyranny, quite possibly a series of divided nations, and probably without the accretions of the Southwest, Louisiana purchase, Hawaii and Alaska.
The results of the Constitutional convention were submitted to the states for vigorous debate and ratification or rejection. The framers of the Constitution and some of those who participated in the convention and who opposed the proposed Constitution vigorously debated its passage in The Federalist Papers. For us political junkies it must've been one of the great exciting times in the political history of America to be able to participate in that debate which raged all across the country. The revolution was vindicated by this debate.
The results of the Constitutional convention were accepted only on the stipulation that they would be modified by the Bill of Rights which was properly accomplished, evidence that the 1787 Constitution was firmly under the control of the states.
The lesson is that you have a choice, you can continue by passivity to watch your children's destiny lapse into a state of tyranny imposed by a class of elites operating increasingly insulated from public accountability or you can do what the Founding Fathers did: fix it and trust the people to accept or reject it.
I would guess Levin is pushing this because:
1. He thinks it is an emergency and this is the only way to reverse the DC usurpation of the Constitution.
2. He knows the threat of this, even just some state legislatures start voting for such a convention, might bring the federal government to heel and get it to stop trying to be a national government.
3. He know that if anything terrible comes out of such a convention, it would still have to go through a very tough ratification process.
4. He wrote a book and has a financial interest in seeing moves in the direction of a constitutional convention.
My own guess is that the last is not very important to Levin. The others probably are.
He is really down on the GOPe now ,for picking losers like Romney and GWB. And his reflections on GWB are all negative. That Bush was this big spending RINO and he said we keep losing because GOPe keeps picking Romneys as ‘electable’
Except my memory is a bit longer than his drones is.
Levin didnt say that about Romney during 2012 primary nor the Bush stuff during his presidency. In fact he was quite positive about Bush till the last few years.
He was quite enthused about both those two at the times he cite were so wrong.
But now he talks like a biblical prophet who warned us all at the time(s) about these two , so believe him now because he knows.
In fact today he was citing How Sen Coburn told him he was reading his latest book. But wait, Coburn is one of those cowards who are against shutting down the government in attempt to force Reid and Obama to defund Obama-care., according to Mark
But today Coburn is a hero. He likes Mark;s book.
Typical AM talk radio entertainment.
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