Posted on 09/25/2013 9:05:21 PM PDT by JOHN W K
I heard Mark Levin this evening once again encouraging the call for an Article V convention purportedly to restore our constitutionally limited system of government. What Mark Levin does not caution his listening audience about is, that “we the people”, ordinary productive American Citizens, would not be in charge of that convention. In fact, Mark Levin’s Article V Convention if called would be controlled by the very people who now cause our miseries which are the various state Legislatures and Governors who work in concert with our federal government to enslave and plunder the wealth which Americas businesses, industries and productive working people have produced.
Is it not true that such a convention, which Madison specifically warned against, would provide the legal opportunity to make constitutional the tyranny and unconstitutional acts which our federal and state governments now rain down upon the people? This fact is indisputable, and yet, Mark Levin is insistent on calling such a convention. Why?
In addition, Mark Levin promotes, with one of his liberty amendments, a perpetuation of taxes calculated from profits, gains and other incomes which is the very source of power now used to enslave America’s businesses, industries and laboring class people. Why does he not promote our Constitution’s original tax plan, and especially its rule of apportionment for any general tax laid among the States which was part of the Great Compromise of the Convention of 1787? Why is it that Mark Levin, who constantly embraces the wisdom of our Founding Fathers, ignores their wisdom when it comes to taxation?
And, why is it that Mark Levin likewise ignores the wisdom of our Founding Fathers when it comes to the existing Federal Reserve System and Federal Reserve Notes having been made a legal tender for all debts public and private which was specifically forbidden by our founding fathers, and is the second tool used by our folks in government to plunder the real material wealth created by America’s businesses, industries and laboring class people?
Why is it that Mark Levin gets it wrong when it comes to the honest money and honest taxing system our founding fathers wrote into our Constitution, and prefers to keep today’s corrupted tax and money system alive and in the hands of folks in government? Try calling Marks show to ask him these questions and see how far you get!
In closing, let me once again remind you of what James Madison had to say with regard to calling an Article V Convention which was proposed to be called shortly after our existing Constitution was ratified. He wrote:
“You wish to know my sentiments on the project of another general Convention as suggested by New York. I shall give them to you with great frankness …….3. If a General Convention were to take place for the avowed and sole purpose of revising the Constitution, it would naturally consider itself as having a greater latitude than the Congress appointed to administer and support as well as to amend the system; it would consequently give greater agitation to the public mind; an election into it would be courted by the most violent partisans on both sides; it wd. probably consist of the most heterogeneous characters; would be the very focus of that flame which has already too much heated men of all parties; would no doubt contain individuals of insidious views, who under the mask of seeking alterations popular in some parts but inadmissible in other parts of the Union might have a dangerous opportunity of sapping the very foundations of the fabric. Under all these circumstances it seems scarcely to be presumable that the deliberations of the body could be conducted in harmony, or terminate in the general good. Having witnessed the difficulties and dangers experienced by the first Convention which assembled under every propitious circumstance, I should tremble for the result of a Second, meeting in the present temper of America, and under all the disadvantages I have mentioned. ….I am Dr. Sir, Yours Js. Madison Jr” ___See Letters of Delegates to Congress: Volume 25 March 1, 1788-December 31, 1789, James Madison to George Turberville
JWK
“Honest money and honest taxation, the Key to America’s future Prosperity“ ___ from “Prosperity Restored by the State Rate Tax Plan”, no longer in print.
Sorry to be a cynic, but this will NEVER, EVER happen.
At least half of our population are takers and low-information. They have no concept of what freedom is.
Interesting analysis
Not only does a new Const. Convention of any kind scare me...but also the continuance of any type of income tax
For the first 140 yrs our country raised revenue mainly thru TARIFFS. Now..everyone wants to keep Marxist progrssive income taxes
Everyone?
It is not a general convention. It is a convention for the purposes of proposing amendments to the Constitution. The State Legislatures would organize and set up the convention. Once set up they would suggest amendments to the constitution. They then send those to the state legislatures where 3/4 must pas that amendment.
It Is simply a process to bypass the Federal Legislature and the DC beltway.
Not only will it NEVER EVER happen ... most Americans don’t want limited government. You think we’re Liberal now? Try this. America may be dying but let’s not commit suicide.
I don’t understand why people think an an Article 5 convention means suddenly everyone turns conservative.
Does anyone believe that Obama would ever let this happen?
This Article 5 stuff WILL NOT come to fruition for these four reasons:
1) Marxist Dems
2) Establishment Republicans
3) Obama’s Liberal/State Run Media
4) Low-Information idiot voters
Sad.
Wake up, our country is gone. What Levin proposes is our last chance and if you listen to him you should know that what he is talking about is starting the process of presenting amendments and opening the dialogue to actually do something!
We don’t have to stick to the ones he proposes completely, we should be supporting him with constructive arguments instead of sniping. Remember, since Obama entered the white house, there have been tens of thousands of new regulations that have negated or rewritten the constitution and control every aspect of our lives.
Mark is not proposing a new constitutional convention. Article V is another way to add amendments to the constitution. A convention would only be called to propose amendments, not a new Constitution and would still require ratification from 3/4 of the state legislatures on each amendment. So, you either really don’t understand what Mark is proposing or you are choosing to misrepresent it. Try reading the book.
Having the State Legislatures call state conventions, and the state conventions propose amendments, does not “open up” the Constitution one whit more than when CONGRESS proposes an amendment to the Constitution.
As corrupt as the American people have become, leftist amendments would have NO CHANCE of getting the votes of 3/5 of the state legislatures.
This is a bunch of negativism from someone who gives no evidence of having read Levin’s book.
Simply repeal amendments 1-27, create a brand new amendment that simply says "Article V of the U.S. Constitution is hereby repealed and this change shall be permanent and eternal", and all remaining Constitutional laws will be EXACTLY as the founders created them in 1789, and stay that way as long as America exists.
Presto! No more evil demonic efforts to add stuff to the Constitution that the founders didn't have in place when they ratified the thing. Of course, slavery will be legal and we won't have a couple things like now take for granted like freedom of speech and trial by jury, but oh well! The U.S. Constitution was obviously PERFECT except for that pesky part about allowing non-founders to amend it!
My state NC was purple, we voted Obama into office in 08. in 2012 we voted Romney and also ushered in a supermajority of republicans in the legislature and a repub governor for the first time since reconstruction! Things can change for the better very quickly you ALL need to stop being so negative. what the hell is wrong with you people???
Why? Because he’s trying to sell a book.
I don’t see why a convention would be needed to “re-new” the constitution. By holding a convention we’re admitting the old constitution is gone.
Levin made his point, he should highlight WHY he thinks we should do those things and start pushing this convention crap to the side.
I knew there was a chance this convention nonsense would take center stage over the issues he was trying to highlight.
Here’s my take.
What is the difference between the government acting unconstitutionally with impunity, which they do, and them re-writing the constitution to make their activities constitutional?
Both are the same. We are still getting screwed. Grumbling about how unconstitutional something is does not actually stop the SCOTUS from giving it the thumbs up, and the feds enforcing it.
This has been the point Mark has addressed over and over, “what if the state legislatures vote to repeal the 2nd Amendment! Or put conservatives in camps! Or make homosexual instruction mandatory for 6 year olds!”
Well, then its over. If that happens, then we know we have lost America for good, and it’s time to start looking somewhere else.
But the facts are, we have some good state legislative bodies across the nation. North Dakota, Texas, Arkansas, South Carolina, North Carolina. These people are much more accountable to their constituents than the Washington class are. They’re much easier to lobby and coerce into doing what we want, and because they’re not high profile, they are easier races to win.
I personally find fault with Mark’s strategy in the very tough journey to getting a majority big enough to initiate this. That is a lot of legislatures we have to work on, many in states with rife corruption.
In spite of this, I see exactly where Mark is coming from. What is your proposal? Send more conservatives to Washington and hopefully one day we’ll have enough in the House, enough in the Senate, and one in the WH to save America? It sounds good, and by all means we should never stop hammering away at it, to knock off rats and RINOS whenever we can, but even when we elect 10 conservatives, only 3 ever end up being solid. Look at Flake, and Boozman. These two jackasses ran as conservatives. Now one is a McCain love-interest and the other is a slimy Obamacare operative.
I don’t see a problem with continuing our fight in Washington, but also paying close attention to the states and what role they could play, what powers they really have. Remember, the Founders intended the states to be a line of defense against government tyranny. Mark is right in saying we should use it if we can.
“By holding a convention we’re admitting the old constitution is gone.”
The government is about to force you to buy something, courtesy of John Roberts, and not just something, but a particularly crappy something.
Does it sound like the constitution is still here?
> “What Mark Levin does not caution his listening audience about is, that “we the people”, ordinary productive American Citizens, would not be in charge of that convention. In fact, Mark Levin’s Article V Convention if called would be controlled by the very people who now cause our miseries which are the various state Legislatures and Governors who work in concert with our federal government to enslave and plunder the wealth which Americas businesses, industries and productive working people have produced.”
The Tea Party swept the statehouses with more gains than anyone can remember.
Conservatives control far more states than liberals. Each state gets a chance to ratify an amendment. New York and California get the same weight as South Carolina and Oklahoma. No way in the world will liberals control the amendment process.
Note that 38 states are required to ratify an amendment. Only 13 are required to block.
It is the liberals that are worried about what conservatives can do with Article V, not the other way around.
This piece of hysterical commentary is just more of the same old guard panic trying to get the public to fear imaginary monsters in the attic.
Half our Senators are closet Democrats.
How many states joined with Cruz on the floor?
There is your answer.
Separation of church and state, is that in any of the amendments or the original constitution? NO. it was added by a supreme court ruling back in the 30’s or 40’s.
Obamacare? what amendment was that? it now controls 1/6 of our economy and uses the IRS as enforcers. EPA? DOE? DHS? Which amendments do they fall under? they each make new rules EVERY day. The dems figured out that they can work around the constitution. But the states can knock the stool out from under them if they band together.
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