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If Gay Foreigners Can Sue U.S. Pastor Over Sermons, Who Is Safe?
Last Days Watchman ^
| Julio Severo
Posted on 08/20/2013 11:11:38 AM PDT by juliosevero
If Gay Foreigners Can Sue U.S. Pastor Over Sermons, Who Is Safe?
Judge wants gay claim of crime against humanity proceed against Bible preaching
By Julio Severo
WND has reported about the plight of Rev. Scott Lively, author of The Pink Swastika, under lawsuit from an African gay group because a homosexual leader in Uganda was murdered by his male lover allegedly after a sermon by Lively.
This is right. You have read correctly: an African gay activist was murdered by his own male prostitute lover and an American minister is to blame. And incredibly, the US judge has not tossed this ludicrous case.
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Rev. Scott Lively |
WND said that A federal judge has backed a homosexual-rights group in its claim that members were injured by an American pastors biblical preaching in Uganda against homosexual behavior.
But the ruling from Judge Michael Posner in a case brought by Sexual Minorities Uganda against Pastor Scott Lively of Abiding Truth Ministries could mean much more. It could establish that an international consensus disavowing long-held biblical standards could trump the U.S. Constitution, said WND.
And because of the massive US cultural influence around the world, it could open a dangerous precedent, making Christians vulnerable to lawsuits by gay supremacists from other nations. As a small sign of threats to come, last year PayPal decided to close down my account after a campaign and pressure by AllOut, an American gay group. In this case, a US gay group was able to close the account of a Brazilian. If the homosexual case against Rev. Lively succeeds, could AllOut and other American groups file similar lawsuits against me and other Brazilians?
Eventually, the UN system would get involved, regularizing crime against humanity and prosecution of Christians charged under this label.
SMUG alleges Lively must be punished for criticizing homosexuality, calling his speech a crime against humanity in violation of international law.
Livelys attorney, Horatio Mihet of Liberty Counsel, said his clients preaching is protected by the Constitution.
The judge took nearly 80 pages to say that he thought the allegations by SMUG were substantive and needed to be adjudicated.
The judge cited many authorities who implicitly support the principle that widespread, systematic persecution of individuals based on their sexual orientation and gender identity constitutes a crime against humanity.
The judge argued that the idea that Livelys statements are protected under the First Amendment was premature.
The case against Lively claims that by speaking in opposition to homosexuality, he was conspiring to deprive the plaintiffs of their fundamental rights.
Livelys attorneys have explained that SMUGs attack goes directly to the supremacy and portability of the U.S. Constitution.
SMUG asks this United States court to punish one of its citizens, Mr. Lively, for crimes against humanity under an international treaty that The United States has expressly rejected, a court filing opposing SMUGs case explained.
Moreover, what SMUG cavalierly and conclusorily labels as crimes against humanity the most heinous of crimes is actually nothing more than civil, non-violent political discourse in the public square on a subject of great public concern, which occupies the highest run of First Amendment protection, the brief said.
The action was prompted by Lively sharing his biblical views on homosexuality during a 2009 visit to Uganda.
SMUG is represented by the George Soros-funded Center for Constitutional Rights in New York, which even the New York Times described as left-leaning.
SMUG also does not tell the court that David Kato the murdered Ugandan activist whom SMUG makes the centerpiece of this lawsuit was killed not by an enraged homophobe incited by Mr. Livelys protected speech, but by a homosexual prostitute upset over a failed business transaction.
Neither does SMUG tell the court that the confessed perpetrator of this horrible crime was tried and convicted in Ugandan courts, and is now serving a 30-year prison sentence.
And, finally, SMUG does not tell the court that, far from inciting violence, Mr. Lively has consistently condemned acts of violence and calls to violence in the strongest possible terms, and has praised the Ugandan courts for imparting justice.
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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Reference; Religion
KEYWORDS: homophobia; persecution; scottlively
To: juliosevero
Tell ‘em to shove it up their smelly Obamas.
(They’ve obviously got a lot of experience in that department.)
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:14:04 AM PDT
by
Da Coyote
To: juliosevero
Was they guy out of the country when he preached it? If so, well.....
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:15:32 AM PDT
by
DonaldC
(A nation cannot stand in the absence of religious principle.)
To: juliosevero
Beware folks - American's judges are part of the government's criminal cabal.
Justice in court is no longer their primary concern.
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:16:29 AM PDT
by
skeeter
To: skeeter
Beware folks - American's judges are part of the government's criminal cabal.Justice in court is no longer their primary concern.
You are correct sir. I think justice is not ANY of their concern now. And people wonder why I want to leave.
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:31:23 AM PDT
by
Mark17
(Yesterday I couldn't spell it. Today I are one, a creepy a$$ cracker)
To: juliosevero
We’ll wait for the outcome before deciding to panic...
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:31:36 AM PDT
by
G Larry
(Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
To: juliosevero
So who is forcing the gays to go listen to the Pastor??
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:33:44 AM PDT
by
Hattie
To: juliosevero
There might be some confusion here, because lawyer Michael *Posnor* is a leftist agitator. Judge Michael *Ponsor* is a senior judge on the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts.
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:33:47 AM PDT
by
yefragetuwrabrumuy
(Be Brave! Fear is just the opposite of Nar!)
To: juliosevero
Were it a case of suing a pastor for sermons he’s made IN this country, I’d say it is definitely a travesty.
However, my understanding that his sermon(s) were given overseas in the country or countries in which he is being sued. You can go up to Canada and say things you are free to say here and you can end up in the same kind of trouble.
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:34:23 AM PDT
by
Gaffer
To: juliosevero
The judge cited many authorities who implicitly support the principle that widespread, systematic persecution of individuals based on their sexual orientation and gender identity constitutes a crime against humanity.
For the purpose of clarification, is this judge presiding over a courtroom in the district of humanity? What legislation or case law will he use to issue his ruling?
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:44:48 AM PDT
by
liberalh8ter
(The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
To: juliosevero
As always, SAYING something is treated as a real crime, but an actual physical CRIME is treated as nothing at all.
To: juliosevero
This is the consequences of surrendering Social Issues to the left.
Tho gay rights activists claim their lifestyle won’t impact non-gays they will use the Courts to impose groupthink on those who don’t accept them.
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:52:18 AM PDT
by
RginTN
To: juliosevero
Homosexuality has become a new religion. If you refuse its mark you will be punished, you will be fired, you will be denied sustenance.
Geez, where have I heard about this before??
//sarcasm
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:53:25 AM PDT
by
GeronL
To: juliosevero
Hmmm, I wonder how fast the suit would get tossed if it were against a Muslim Iman?
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posted on
08/20/2013 11:54:16 AM PDT
by
glorgau
To: juliosevero
This world is turning into SpongeBob’s opposite day.
To: juliosevero
... calling his speech a crime against humanity in violation of international law.
International Law, what a hoot.
Libs bring this up all the time. There are treaties and agreements, but there's no such thing as "International Law".
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posted on
08/20/2013 12:25:14 PM PDT
by
Spirochete
(Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
To: All
To: juliosevero
And yet missionaries leave this country in droves to travel abroad when there are more than enough people to aid and witness to here in the US.
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