Posted on 04/08/2013 7:14:00 AM PDT by Cold Case Posse Supporter
In truth, Obama's background is more than compelling. It's a tragedy. In 1971, Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, arrived at Hawaii International Airport as an unaccompanied minor with Indonesian Nationality.
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Obama's original long form birth certificate was sealed and archived after a Court order to seal it. A Certificate of Live Birth for Barry Soetoro, son of Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro, was created and filed as part of the finalized adoption order.
In 1971, Barry Soetoro was taken into protective custody by Immigration and Customs Enforcement. His legal custody was transferred to Catholic Social Services of Connecticut while his grandmother, Madelyn Payne Dunham, was appointed his legal guardian.
Catholic Social Services of Connecticut was under contract the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services to provide child welfare services for minors with foreign nationality in 1971. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is discharged with the duty of administering the Federal Foster Care program. Obama entered the Federal Foster Care program in 1971 and was not discharged from the child welfare program for foreign nationals until he reached the age of majority, 18 years-old, August 4, 1979.
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Shortly after Obama arrived in Hawaii and was taken into Federal Foster Care, Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro and Barack Hussein Obama Sr. returned to Hawaii to appear at a child custody hearing. It was at this hearing Stanley Ann Dunham Soetoro testified Barry Soetoro, a/k/a/ Barack Hussein Obama II, was not the son Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Barack Hussein Obama Sr. had returned to Hawaii at the request of the U.S. State Department to testify he was the birth father of Barack Hussein Obama II,...
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What a tangled web...wait.....
“Obama has a Certificate of Naturalization issued to him in 1983”
How did those inquiries from Drudge and Breitbart work out?
Sorry buddy.. I call this a “lottahorseshitpost”......sorry.
You Plick! /s
After Ann Dunhams passport has foreign citizen Obama removed, after that date, there must be some new document that we have not yet seen that reverses that. Maybe you know what that document is or is not. Any Idea? Lets disprove Sven with some logic, we all can accept it and move on. When that passport was updated, she must have had companion documents to show Obama was an Indonesian citizen. That changed. When?
It’s a giant red herring. Research “loss of U.S. citizenship” and you will learn that such loss requires a positive declaration of intent to renounce one’s citizenship before a consular official. Declarants must be of legal age; no one else can do it for them or to them. Under the posted fantasy, Obama would have lost his citizenship as a young child, through adoption by an Indonesian step-father. Not legally possible under U.S. law.
Right, and the very minimum age per the 7 FAM 1290 is 16.
Also per the rules, the renunciation has to be done at a us consulate overseas.
The problem with 16 and overseas is
When 0 was 16 in 1977 he was in the hawaii high school getting high.
See “choom gang with cake” pic, it has “class of 1979” on it.
1972 Social Security Amendments of 1972 (P.L. 92-603):
Required SSA to issue SSNs to all legally admitted aliens at entry and to anyone receiving or applying for any benefit paid for by Federal funds; Required SSA to obtain evidence to establish age,citizenship,or alien status and identity.
Yes, it required SSA to issue an SSN. It did not require a welfare recipient to obtain a SSN until 1977. The citizenship, alien status, age are found in the NUMIDENT file after the SSN is applied for.
I bet Sven is a Lawyer and has lots of practice defending guilty clients.....got to create that doubt about the truth
First off, Sven’s theory doesn’t hold water because it is based on the assumption o was born in Hawaii.
We have NO authentic proof of that.
One cannot LOSE what one never HAD.
The other logic portion would be the info in posts 106, 107 (rules about loss of nationality) and 86 (rules about needing SSN to get fed $).
As to the documents, I had a thought, what if Indonesia in the 1960s did things like we used to do back in the 1920s or earlier, if a woman married a citizen, she got his citizenship upon marriage, and so did the kids.
Think about this:
There IS a marriage document for her and Lolo.
There IS a document by her saying she’s staying in Indonesia indefinitely because she married Lolo.
Those docs are out there.
So o most likely was British then Indonesian.
Absent Sven posting his certain of naturalization,
O is an illegal alien, using a stolen ssn and bogus ID, who does not qualify for the job, and thus should be deported back to Indonesia.
“Certain” s/b “certificate”
What part of
“....anyone receiving or applying for any benefit paid for by Federal funds...”
is unclear?
ANY BENEFIT
IN 1972 people receiving ANY FEDERAL FUNDS WHATSOEVER were REQUIRED to have a SSN !!!
That rule says NOTHING about limiting it to FOOD STAMPS, NOTHING about limiting it to welfare, NOTHING about waiting till 1977!!!!!
“The citizenship,alien status,age are found in the NUMIDENT file after the SSN is applied for.”
This file is INACCESSIBLE unless as you said,
A)obtained by the person himself and approval gotten by him for its release
OR
B) obtained as a result of court case discovery
NEITHER of which has happened (a) OR has been ALLOWED to get to the point of happening (b)
So we are going in circles here !!!!
Paratrooper,
You may be right.
In post #108 he’s making a distinction between SSN’s being * issued* by the agency and welfare recipients *obtaining * them.
I think its armchair hairsplitting, when someone went to get benefits they would have had to have the ss# already to put on the app.
Plus as in my other post, ANY fed benefits needed the #, not just food stamps & welfare.
Don’t blame me because eligibility attorneys are running out of clients.
As I said, every appointment by a usurper violates the Appointments Clause of the U.S. Constitution. To have standing to accuse a Judge appointed by Obama to be an unconstitutional appointment you must be ordered or assigned to appear before that Judge for ajudication.
At the first hearing, object to the Judge’s appointment and right to hear the case because Obama is a usurper and it violates the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. You do not have to present evidence with your allegation. It will be up to Obama to deny the allegation. Once that happens, discovery begins.
“....anyone receiving or applying for any benefit paid for by Federal funds...”
is unclear?
ANY BENEFIT
IN 1972 people receiving ANY FEDERAL FUNDS WHATSOEVER were REQUIRED to have a SSN !!!
In 1972 a technical error was introduced in the law which resulted in beneficiaries getting a double adjustment for inflation. In 1977 Congress acted to correct the error. Instead of making the correction immediate, they phased it in over a five year period.
ObamaCare will be phased in beginning in 2014, but the legislation was signed into law on March 23, 2010. Significant legislation is phased in over a period of years.
You wouldn’t want Lil’ Barry to go to school without eating his Cheerios for breakfast would you?
There IS a marriage document for her and Lolo.
There IS a document by her saying she’s staying in Indonesia indefinitely because she married Lolo.
Those docs are out there.
So o most likely was British then Indonesian.
Absent Sven posting his certain of naturalization,
O is an illegal alien, using a stolen ssn and bogus ID, who does not qualify for the job, and thus should be deported back to Indonesia.
And you ignore the abbreviated COLB, certified as authentic from HI HDOH because .... ?
Right, IIRC Obama came back in 1971, prior to the 1972 change.
If we could get a Federal count of Indonesian refugees in 1971 (whatever year he came back), by age, that might bolster the theory.
SvenMagnussen wrote:
“And you ignore the abbreviated COLB,certified as authentic from HI HDOH because .... ?”
Because
according to an established forensic laboratory
according to a LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL who has led an INVESTIGATION into the document in question
The document is a FORGERY.
And there is evidence of CRIMINALITY.
PERIOD.
There was a court case where o’s condemned didn’t even show up and the case got NOWHERE.
When are you going to appear in front of a judge?
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