This nation is closer to a Civil War than it has been since 1861.

Scary thought, isn’t it? Especially to those who have seen war and know from personal experience what it is like. If you are older than 35, would you ever have dreamed that one day, in our lifetimes, our country would be reduced to this? Sometimes it makes me want to cry for America. It makes me want to throw a fit and smash things, rage and scream like a wild man. I want to grab my weapons, march to Washington DC, stand up in front of Congress and the president and say, “Now Look, this is the way it is going to be or by God, I will start shooting!

Kind of childish, isn’t it? I didn’t ask for the crap that is going on today. I don’t want it. I am near 60 years old. All I wanted was to live out the rest of my days in peace. I wanted to live out those days in the America that I knew and loved, where one was safe and didn’t have to worry about what the government was planning to do to you.

So much for that. Life has changed, as it is supposed to. But it is not a good change. It remains to be seen what good can come from this state of affairs. The one thing I do know is that it is up to us . . . each one of us. . . yes, that means you . . . to bring forth whatever good can be found.

Semantic hair-splitting aside, the fact remains that the communist left in the USSA has staged a coup de fraud.

Having secured the reins of power via electoral theft, they are daily circumventing the Founders' system of checks/balances on their way to imposing a socialist police state .. their own little nazi party, if history is any guide.

Shamefully, all this is being allowed to occur with the gutless acquiescence of the erstwhile 'opposition', along with the most disgusting sycophancy of the presstitute corps in living memory.

So fine then, it's the LOOTERS who are the revolutionaries, which casts those of us who cling to the Founding ideals and the Constitution as the righteous counter-revolutionaries in our efforts to thwart them at every turn.

We may not succeed .. the tide may have been fecklessly allowed to encroach too far upon the shores of liberty these few decades past.

But honor lies in the resistance .. in refusing to surrender our hearts and minds and perhaps our very lives to their dystopian goal of slavery for anyone not of their traitorous ilk.

With each patriot contributing, in their own individual and creatively myriad way, toward inflicting a million tiny cuts each day, the statist beast CAN be brought to its evil knees and ultimately destroyed.

And while it may not be the only path to the goal, such a triumph would go very far in re-instilling the confidence and determination to return our nation to its abandoned role as lighthouse of freedom to the world.

And so I'll say again, whether it echoes with others or serves merely as 'famous last words' . . . no gulags for me, whatever the cost

“Did we nuke Vietnam. No. Did we nuke Korea. No. What makes you think FedGov™ would ever use nukes in a civil war? Frankly the “union” wouldn’t lay waste to the real estate it wants back....”

Vietnam and Korea were different from a Civil War. Vietnam was a boutique war. LBJ invented the incident that provoked it. It was entirely a political war, probably because LBJ thought he could get away with things while the nation was at war that he couldn’t if it weren’t. When he signed the order he said to McNamara, “Well, there’s your damned war. But for the life of me I don’t see how we’re going to get out of it.” Korea was fought in the international arena with the constant fear that it would escalate and directly involve the nuclear powers of China and Russia in such a way that we couldn’t ignore it. So, it was fought as low key as possible and the stated objectives were specifically to assure Russian and China that they were not threatened.

Now, imagine Washington DC is under siege and no food has gotten in for three months. Rebel marine unites have set up such an effective anti-aircraft defense that no planes can get in or out. The President is losing the PR battle and the takers are turning on him. Even the lapdog media are saying he’s a bad leader and he should turn over the presidency to Hillary Clinton. Would this president use every power necessary to get back to his freeloading lifestyle? Would Assad use nukes against his own cities to stay in power? I think he would if he could as he’s losing the ground war. When the president himself is in danger all bets are off.

A Civil War is a family squabble. It’s not conducted in fear of the international arena. Indeed, the world’s dictators will be cheering Obama on. Now, consider that only one side is likely to have nuclear weapons and there’s no threat of another nuclear power retaliating. When the choice is between starvation and nuking the rest of the country back into servitude so the good times can continue rolling for the select few, the choice is obvious. Throw into the mix that the man making the choice is a narcissist and there seems no other answer.

The federal government could not use nukes against a rebellion. Rebel territory is red, gov't territory is blue.

Nukes are only effective against cities and concentrated assets, red states are too far dispersed with few concentrated assets that would require a nuclear strike.

The blue areas are vulnerable, it's enough for an attacking force to start a firestorm in one of those heavy blue areas all full of closely packed wooden houses.

Something as stupid and simple as a few hundred flaming arrows, or even modified chinese rockets (fireworks) and blocked streets/firehouses would wreak havoc, never mind nukes. Look at what happened by accident in Philadelphia with a single flash bang (or couple?) the cops used against MOVE. This happened in 1985 and the cops accidentally burned down some 65 homes without trying, not through malice but rather stupidity. A malicious group could do far worse.

The rebels would be wise not to wait for the Federales, but to go after them in their homes - sort of as if the Jews were able to escape the ghetto and go after the Wehrmacht on their holidays in their homes. Outside the box.

Government employees have special license plates, they live in well known areas... it is easier to find them than them to find the rebels.

The enemies of freedom and promotors of statism are concentrated in cities. The defenders of freedom and the constitution are widely dispersed.

Just like if Russia and the USA ever exchanged nukes, the Russians would have been doing us a favor taking out our worst ghettos... Detroit, Baltimore, Newark, DC, etc. - granted, there are lots of good people there too, but those are largely gutted, pillaged sewers by and large - whereas in Russia, the cities are where the intellectuals live and are prosperous while the oblasts are full of drunken, toothless, tuberculosis ridden alcoholics.

Hopefully, it will never come to such blows, but if it does, I would rather be in a red area than a blue one, wouldn't you?

I had a friend confide in me that if the feds cracked down on Arizona or Texas, he would go there to join the fight.
My response was, "Why would you jump in the proverbial barrel with the fish when the Feds start shooting them in Texas or Arizona?

Wouldn't it be better to go after the head of the snake - which is not in either Texas or Arizona.
If your enemy comes after your compatriots in their homes, go after the enemy in theirs, don't sit waiting for them.

Of course, it's all just armchair strategizing, I have no intention of shooting my fellow citizens as an aggressor - nor anyone else for that matter.

Gen.Blather: "I don’t think there’s any reason a state can’t leave the union."

Our Founders Original Intent was that secession should be by mutual consent (meaning Congress approves), or by some "usurpation", "injury" or "oppression" amounting to the same thing.

For examples of what, exactly, they meant by those terms, we have only to review their Declaration of Independence:

"He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people."
"he has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating it’s most sacred rights of life & liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere, or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither." -- proposed by Jefferson, later deleted.
"In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury.
A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

Gen.Blather: "I always thought the 'reason' for the Civil War was the firing on Ft. Sumter.
But, if that hadn’t happened, and there was apparently no real reason for it, then I’m certain Lincoln would have come up with his own version of the Tonkin Gulf incident."

"No real reason"?
The Confederacy demanded Sumter's surrender, and when it's Union commander refused, Confederates assaulted and seized the fort.
As for Lincoln's inventing some reason to start a war, that was hardly necessary -- the Confederacy was itching and eager to, in Davis' inaugural words (February 18, 1861), "appeal to arms".
For examples: secessionists lost no time seizing dozens of major Federal properties, and even supporting rebellion in non-Confederate states.
On May 6, 1861 the Confederacy formally declared war on the United States.
Compare: the first Confederate soldier to die directly in battle was June 10, 1861, at Big Bethel.

Gen.Blather: "I think it was Lincoln who wanted the war."

Meanwhile, Lincoln's first inaugural address (March 4) said:

"In your hands, my dissatisfied fellow countrymen, and not in mine, is the momentous issue of civil war.
The government will not assail you.
You can have no conflict without being yourselves the aggressors.
You have no oath registered in Heaven to destroy the government, while I shall have the most solemn one to 'preserve, protect, and defend it.' "

Imagine if someone really wanted to go after those concentrated blue city populations... say they started a few firestorms and disabled the firehouses and water mains? Hopefully, it never comes to that.

No, absolutely no need for it to come to that.

Another way to look at that map is to ask the question: "Where does the food come from?". And then the corollary question: "Where does the food go TO?".

Shut down food production, or more importantly transportation from the Red areas to the Blue, and the problem will quickly take care of itself.

And another important thing to consider is that the Red areas are pretty capable of defending themselves when the State shows up to demand the food. But I'd guess at that point it would be too late. The Blue areas are always between three days to a week away from starvation. There aren't enough military and Federal civilian forces available to compel the Red areas to provide food in the quantity required quickly enough to stop the mass riots from occurring.

And that presumes that a sizable portion of the forces sent in to confiscate the food and compel (at gunpoint) production of more food don't either sit down and refuse to act on principle, or sit down and refuse to act after pragmatically realizing what side is more likely to win.

tomkat: "Semantic hair-splitting aside, the fact remains that the communist left in the USSA has staged a coup de fraud."

The answer to fraud is strict allegiance to truth, FRiend.

tomkat: "And so I'll say again, whether it echoes with others or serves merely as 'famous last words' . . . no gulags for me, whatever the cost."

If you are waiting for gulags, you'll be waiting a long, long time.
But truth can be very persuasive, even for some people accustomed to voting for ever more Big-Government handouts.
The "teachable moment" arrives when promises get broken and socialism doesn't produce as advertised.

But for any "teachable moment" there must be at least some dedicated to truth and out doing real teaching.

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