Posted on 12/23/2012 1:26:07 PM PST by upchuck
Ordinarily, I'd agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut, there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.
To those on the political and those pushing gun control -- in the childish naivete -- You need to understand two things: One -- Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That's one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.
If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs -- please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!
For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I'd go so far as to say some are even "leaning forward," eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.
Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to "pry the weapons from their cold dead hands." Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin -- and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.
Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.
I just don't think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion -- PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.
Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world -- combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran, France, and Germany combined! SOURCE: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1889966/pg1 Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?
And don't think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden -- and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?
A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. "Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces." SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States
Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as "scary looking" weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. "The Justice Department’s interviews also showed so-called “assault weapons” are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban... ." Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
Consider this: "Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases." Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns -- well within arm's length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed -- either with an "edged weapon" or a firearm.
Let's be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.
I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.
A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.
Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.
As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.
"Molṑn labéis" ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae. I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.
So what does "molon labe" mean? Well, it is an invitation -- and a challenge -- all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: "Come and take 'em."
Since self-defense is a God-given right I would add a second phrase of recognition one which my Confederate ancestors affixed often to their missives: "Deo Vindici," which means: "God is with us."
This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but -- intend to win decisively.
J. D. Longstreet
No, it won't.
Replace "government law officers" with "United Nations mercenaries" and you are onto something.
UN mercenaries from where? Usually, when the call goes out, thousands of shoeless Africans show up since their government gets paid by the head to ‘donate’ them to the cause. The US usually ends up outfitting them with everything.
Isn’t it nice to read an article like this? Straight shooting. No BS. No politically cowrecked crap. Just the facts.
It is good to know your enemy. There is much to learn from the Chinese Cultural revolution. Note that the police were not enforcers. They were isolated and restrained. The community organizer with devide at all levels. We have much in recent history to look at for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
On August 22, 1966, Mao issued a notice to stop “all police intervention in Red Guard tactics and actions.” Those in the police force who defied this notice were labeled “counter-revolutionaries.” Mao, drawing on his experiences from prior to 1949, suggested that “the sign of a true revolutionary was his desire to kill.” Mao’s praise for rebellion was effectively an endorsement for the actions of the Red Guards, which grew increasingly violent.[32] Public security in China deteriorated rapidly as a result of central officials lifting restraints on violent behavior.[33] Xie Fuzhi, the national police chief, said it was “no big deal” if Red Guards were beating “bad people” to death.[34]
It is good to know your enemy. There is much to learn from the Chinese Cultural revolution. Note that the police were not enforcers. They were isolated and restrained. The community organizer with devide at all levels. We have much in recent history to look at for example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution
On August 22, 1966, Mao issued a notice to stop “all police intervention in Red Guard tactics and actions.” Those in the police force who defied this notice were labeled “counter-revolutionaries.” Mao, drawing on his experiences from prior to 1949, suggested that “the sign of a true revolutionary was his desire to kill.” Mao’s praise for rebellion was effectively an endorsement for the actions of the Red Guards, which grew increasingly violent.[32] Public security in China deteriorated rapidly as a result of central officials lifting restraints on violent behavior.[33] Xie Fuzhi, the national police chief, said it was “no big deal” if Red Guards were beating “bad people” to death.[34]
I would think most Americans would have far less hesitation to pull the trigger against a foreigner than a U.S. jackboot.
A couple of salient points for the anti-gun folks out there.
Mexico with 112 million citizens and rigid gun control had in excess of 11,000 gun related homicides in 2010. Almost none were defensive.
The United States with 311 million citizens had just over 9,000. Many were defensive with armed citizens defending life or property.
How is that gun control thing working out for Mexico?
I am 100% in like mind with this post.
But I think if we plan on protecting ourselves we need to be realistic about what we can expect.
Unless the commies slip up and move too fast they are going to get a lot of their goal by incrementalism. It’s worked for 40 years and it is still working. It helps having a completely compliant press working for them.
As far as the military (and the police and national guard) is concerned, “they” are methodically destroying the service from within at a very fast rate. That “most” would side with the people is still possible, but will not be for a lot longer.
Gun owners had better think long and hard, and be prepared to do what our founding fathers were willing to do. Are you willing to die? Because (IMO) it is going to come to that at some point.
I’m not being negative, or defeatist. It will come to that and we will have to demonstrate the incredible stoicism and character of our forefathers if we expect to have a chance.
My uniformed colleagues and I used to have some interesting discussions on the normally boring mid-watches. We would come up with a certain scenario and spend the next 3 or 4 days discussing how to best respond. I’ll bet we weren’t alone and I’ll also wager that’s still going on.
Well, actually it is “Deo Vindice” and not “Deo Vindici,” but you likely know that, and you just hit the wrong key. But your translation is a tad inaccurate (though a nice thought), as “Deo Vindice” means, literally, “God will vindicate.”
I think a great number of US troops would sit this one out, or side with the patriots.
They're already here.
That advice is more appropriate for any would-be jackbooted thugs, than it is for patriotic, law-abiding American citizens, of which there are 90 million who are armed.
If the federales could somehow press all of the armed services personnel and every law enforcement officer in the country into confiscation duty, they wouldn't amount to more than about 5 million strong.
Even the most arrogant dictator would shrink from those odds.
Further incrementalism is their only choice, and they'd better be exceedingly careful as to what they say and do while they're at it. They're about two inches away from sparking something that they do not have the power to extinguish.
Perhaps some are. They’re going to need a lot more reinforcements (and body bags).
Unfortunately, Obama is a psychopath (I mean that in the true clinical sense of the term). His arrogance is not the problem per se, it is only one manifestation of his pathology. We can't assume that logic and a reasonable grasp of the situation will guide his actions in a practical direction.
IOW, we can't base any expectations of his behaviour on rational reasoning processes. This man's mental illness means we have a very loose cannon here. We should not assume that any action by him is without the realm of possibility.
The question I ask these gun control morons is this: who exactly do you think will come and get my guns? The local Sheriff I know by name? The officers whom I chat with from time to time? Our local Government agents, who in reaction to the Sandy Hook massacre have introduced legislation to increase access to guns? Maybe they'll send the Armed Forces my way. Of course they forget that while they were raising their kids to protest the military we were teaching ours to serve.
It is possible that the semi-auto ban be reinstated. I have my doubts as long as the Republicans hold the House, but possible. But even Biden is not stupid enough to think that there is any way to collect our guns.
Unfortunately, Obama is a psychopath (I mean that in the true clinical sense of the term). His arrogance is not the problem per se, it is only one manifestation of his pathology. We can't assume that logic and a reasonable grasp of the situation will guide his actions in a practical direction.
Yes, but even the most insane would-be dictator needs a massive, and utterly obedient force to wrest complete and total control of a nation. It also requires an unarmed and cowed populace to achieve complete success.
Obama has neither of those things. He doesn't command complete loyalty within the government or military, either.
Without at least two of those three conditions in his favor, he doesn't stand a chance. Any dictator worth his salt would tell him that.
how many people just surrendered when the police unilaterally declared confiscation? no law. no court order. they just took.
how many? It was just the law abiding that disarmed willingly.
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