Posted on 12/23/2012 1:26:07 PM PST by upchuck
Ordinarily, I'd agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut, there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.
To those on the political and those pushing gun control -- in the childish naivete -- You need to understand two things: One -- Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That's one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.
If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs -- please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!
For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I'd go so far as to say some are even "leaning forward," eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.
Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to "pry the weapons from their cold dead hands." Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin -- and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.
Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.
I just don't think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion -- PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.
Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world -- combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran, France, and Germany combined! SOURCE: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1889966/pg1 Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?
And don't think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden -- and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?
A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. "Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces." SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States
Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as "scary looking" weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. "The Justice Department’s interviews also showed so-called “assault weapons” are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban... ." Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
Consider this: "Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.
The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases." Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns -- well within arm's length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed -- either with an "edged weapon" or a firearm.
Let's be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.
I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.
A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.
Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.
As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.
"Molṑn labéis" ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army's demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae. I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.
So what does "molon labe" mean? Well, it is an invitation -- and a challenge -- all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: "Come and take 'em."
Since self-defense is a God-given right I would add a second phrase of recognition one which my Confederate ancestors affixed often to their missives: "Deo Vindici," which means: "God is with us."
This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but -- intend to win decisively.
J. D. Longstreet
It’s often been observed that “perception is more important than reality”. The observation is often correct. It is never MORE CORRECT than for those we’ve come to call “liberals”. I prefer “statist” but “liberal” has morphed from its classic meaning to the other end of the spectrum so I’ll stay with it.
Since these folks operate almost entirely on EMOTION and FEELING, REALITY seldom allows FACTS to intrude upon the delusional worldview they have constructed and the comfort that provides them. It is that illogical, irrational and delusional mindset that prompts many of them to continue to quest after a Utopian society. The thought that such a society can and will never be achieved in a fallen world populated with failed sinners never penetrates whatever remains of their cognitive consciousness. It’s a DANGEROUS WORLD and, as the liberals continue to “define deviancy down”, it becomes more dangerous daily.
There is another, far more sinister, level of the “liberal” call for gun control.
It was Mencken who offered that “The urge to save humanity is most often a false front for the URGE TO RULE.” He clearly had been a student of the liberal politicians of his day. Were he alive today and able to observe the likes of Chuck Schumer, Diane Feinstein, Obama and the rest, he’d almost certainly have used far stronger language to frame his sage observation.
To conclude, dozens of studies reveal the FACTS concerning gun control. Those FACTS are that where firearms are widely and READILY available to law-abiding citizens, CRIME GOES DOWN! The liberals who willfully ignore the FACTUAL EVIDENCE and continue to call for gun control (i.e. the DISARMING of DECENT CITIZENS, thereby denying them the ability to exercise their God-given right to self-defense) are those about whom Mencken wrote: Their goal is NOT about preserving life. It is about the hell-bent pursuit of the impossible to achieve Utopian world where all are equal but some (that’d be THEM) are MORE equal than others (that’d be US).
There are many PRO-RTKABA videos on You Tube that your often busy lives don’t allow you to find on your own. Search there for “Gun Control”, watch them – and, more importantly – SHARE THEM with the folks in your orbit.
We’re in a fight. And losing will ultimately cost us much more than our right to our guns.
Dick Bachert 12/19/2012
Thank you for posting this. It helps my spirit; however, my big concern is for the most part we are not organized.
We are mostly millions of lone wolves and thus sitting ducks for the jack booted thugs.
Any suggestions?
Thank you for posting this. It is logical and reasoned. I would add the idea of operational security. No one has to know how many guns or bullets any American has. Thanks.
Here is another thing to ponder. If owning a firearm becomes officially illegal and you are of the strong fabric that will not have a basic human right be removed with a stroke of a pen, what is left to prevent converting all those AR’s to full autos? I guess what I am saying is, when a person has made the decision to never give up their guns and is willing to fight to the death in keeping them, what prevents them from taking the already illegal semi-auto gun and making it a full auto?
I am eagerly anticipating Andrew Cuomo’s plan to ban guns in NY. This is going to be fun. The creator of the housing crisis during his tenure at HUD is going to try an take my guns.....Hahahaha.
None of us will surrender any of our weapons, sell them to the state, now or ever.
I know Many NYS troopers who will not go out on any such confiscations. Heck, the guy (FFL) who I buy my AR’s from is a sherrif’s deputy.
Good luck Andy....even your law enforcement won’t help you.
There are no local police within 30 miles of me, but if the sheriff did manage to make it up to my driveway, I’d invite him to have at searching the roughly 1500 acres of forest behind me. Should keep him busy for at least two or three years.
Dittoes to that!
It worked then,why not now?
It worked then,why not now?
Dunno. There is a difference - they WANT your guns.
Illegals are here to fill in for the children we murdered and hopefully put the collapse of Social Security back one generation - why do you think the SS Admin won’t cooperate with the ICE? No one in DC wants them gone.
So who is going to come and get them? There are millions of guns that have never even required registration.
It didn’t work. If the French hadn’t intervened, we would have likely lost. Who are we going call in for assistance this time? Who hates the US enough to send troops and arms?
Our only real hope would be if the majority of the US Armed Forces kicked in on our side.
What brains?
About 23 years ago I bought several AK-47 magazines real cheap. I don’t even have an AK or anything to use it in.
I used to know a mechanical engineer whose wife bought dozens of AK rifles just because they were cheap and Clinton was threatening to ban them.
From the TEXAS Declaration of Independence from Mexico..
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/texdec.asp
“It has demanded us to deliver up our arms, which are essential to our defence, the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”
We are liberals...they are filthy communists.
I am a liberal....I believe in Liberty. They do not believe in liberty, they believe in communism. Socialists are communists.
Good point. However, full automatic is very wasteful of ammo, and semi-automatic is more effective for most tasks since full-automatic ‘sprays’ are not properly aimed.
I understand that having been in the Army. Rather one well placed round that a hundred near misses.
I asked this as more of a philosophical question than a tactical one. Once the worms get out of the can, what is the next in the line of progression. I can see a path that one everything becomes illegal, nothing will be illegal. It could turn into something completely unintended. Having read a bit of history, Americans tend to not behave well when pushed against their will.
Who do we call? Our 90 million gun-owning friends and neighbors, that's who.
American gun owners comprise the largest armed force on the planet. We dwarf the American military, which comprises roughly 1.5 million active duty personnel.
And yes - if push came to shove, most of them would side with the people.
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