Posted on 11/06/2012 8:42:40 AM PST by Seizethecarp
To find out more about Obama’s time in Indonesia, TheBlaze tracked down Father Bart Janssen. He’s the elderly founder of Santo Fransiskus Assisis who we found in a monastery in Den Bosch, The Netherlands. We asked him, through a Dutch translator, what he remembers of the young Barack Obama.
Janssen doesn’t remember who registered Obama, but he recalls that Obama’s mother didn’t speak Indonesian at the time, so he thinks that both the stepfather and the mother would have been there together to register their son. He also doesn’t think the details in Obama’s registration document should be considered official declarations of his faith or citizenship because it wasn’t a government form and people played loose with such facts at the time. For example, it was typical to register as Indonesian and Islamic just because you were living there, so the religion indicated may just be what his father put down because it was the normal thing to do.
An exit after one term from the White House could act as a catalyst for more information more quickly. An Obama win, on the other hand, would likely keep any information – at least from the president himself — sealed for at least four more years.
Voters on Tuesday, then, may be deciding more than just who the next president is – they could help decide how much more we know about the one we have now.
(Excerpt) Read more at theblaze.com ...
Odd that these real pale mulattoes seem to often be the most hateful racists.
Self hatred, I guess.
Ooh, teamwork has arrived.
Too close to the truth, this thread.
“But it has the best dramatic narrative. It’s like a trashy airplane novel. Exotic locations, colorful characters, a vast conspiracy, what more could you want?”
All true, plus a “Baghdad Bob” level of denial of the obvious! It is all very entertaining on one level, but it is potentially damaging to any unwary FReeper easily swayed by fabulous picture manipulations and endless repetition of falsehoods on baby/child identities.
I wouldn’t mind so much if this was going on on threads that other FReepers started, but on threads that I started, I feel a bit responsible for that is posted unopposed.
CHICAGO TRIBUNE NAMES THE STUDENT YADATE DEBREWORK FROM ETHIOPIA
It's not me who is trolling, it's you. You're doing more for the theory that the mother and father of the boy zero are unidentified than I have been guilty of on this thread so far. You are the one drawing attention to the fact that there's a case for asking, WHO WERE his parents?
So keep it up. I'll eventually get to what lead us to Beirut and the family connections of the famous baby-sitter to Cairo and Lebanon, and what the motives one member of that family might have had in keeping Mary in the dark about why Anna Obama was living at the boarding house, because I do need to remind you that it wasn't Mary who identified ANNA OBAMA as Stanley Ann Dunham, it was the woman from Seattle Mystery Tours (ghosts, bigfoot, UFO's) who told Mary she had baby-sat the President of the United States...regardless that Mary made it clear at first (unexpected) interview the occasion was when her own daughter, who was born in July 1959, was 18 months old.
methinks thou dost protest too much.
for the record:
the original article on the Seattle Museum of the Mysteries website is now FORBIDDEN:
http://www.seattlechatclub.org/museum.html
But thanks to Beckwith, there’s a link to a reprint here:
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/BabysittingObama.mht
Excerpt:
Mary Toutonghi, who now lives in Soldatna, Alaska, recalls Barack as “a really alert baby, very happy and a good size.” She does not remember him ever crying (although she adds she is sure he likely did but does not remember any undue fussing). She recalls as best she can the dates she babysat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 and that would have placed the months of babysitting Barack in January and February of 1962.
During our first interview, Mary referred to Stanley Ann Dunham as “Anna,” not knowing that it was the same name as what was listed in the Seattle City Directory. This verified for us that indeed Mary had known Ann Dunham. Anna was obviously confident enough with Mary to have her babysit her son Barack and confide in her about her future plans.
Mary strains to remember the days back over 45 years ago and relates that she did not know why Anna was in Seattle but remembers she was “anxious to get back to her husband.”
GOT THAT?
No one noticed that if you add 18 months to July 1959, you get January, 1961. And no one wondered how Charlette could know that Anna Obama was the same person as Stanley Ann Dunham, simply because Mary called the woman she babysat for ANNA.
My oh my, how many Brooklyn Bridges have you bought lately?
Anna Obama was in the Seattle Polk for 1961-62 and we are expected to believe she showed up in August 1961 - so the Polk collated their directory at the tail-end of the publication year, did they?
Charlette of course did realize her mistake, and brazenly added an edit to her article to say that Mary must have been mistaken, her daughter must have been a year older. Sure. There’s also a rumour around Seattle that has Mary not sober...but what tells us more than anything is of course that the original article written by Charlette is now FORBIDDEN.
Mary Toutonghi who now lives in Soldatna Alaska, (2) recalls Barack as ³a really alert baby, very happy and a good size². She does not remember him ever crying (although she adds she is sure he likely did but does not remember any undue fussing). She recalls as best she can the dates she baby sat Barack as her daughter was 18 months old and was born in July of 1959 and that would have placed the months of baby sitting Barack in January and February of 1962. [Note: 9/3/09: I believe Mary's daughter was older than what she remembered which would account for the age discrepency].
Charlette, there was no age discrepancy Mary simply told the truth, she didn't know any better. She babysat for the person who was listed in the 1961-62 Polk and that was ANNA OBAMA.
I don’t have a sense that Percy was anything but a very good lawyer...and a very clever man. He ended up at one time on the board of the Africa-America Institute, which was funded by The Rockefeller Brothers Trust, he travelled all over Africa. The Africa-America Institute was shown as one of the sponsors of the Kenyan student Barack Obama, on his immigration docs.
Pity the newsletters of the Institute appear to have been removed from the web recently. At one time Betty Shabazz was also part of the Institute. It’s a very small world.
Are you beginning to get the idea yet, that if anyone whose surname was OBAMA studied ANYTHING at the U of WA - it was more likely to have been the woman listed in the Polk, whose name appears on an abstract of a transcript as OBAMA Stanley Ann Dunham.
All that was needed was the addition of Stanley and Dunham to the name, and there you have the student OBAMA ANN turned into someone else. Now add a graduation from Mercer Island High School, and there's your record.
IT'S AN 'ABSTRACT', like the birth certificate, which shows one layer as mother's name ANN D...which in another layer becomes Stanley Ann Dunham after the addition of (Stanley) and the addition of UNHAM and OBAMA to make DUNHAM OBAMA.
For a certified document examiner, you sure haven't done a lot of examining. Mind you, it's difficult, nothing we have seen exists other than in cyber-space...
IT WOULD SEEM THE MAIDEN NAME OF THE MOTHER OF THE CHILD BORN IN JANUARY WAS ANN D (SOMETHING) - Nice one, because that tells us the original birth certificate was in the possession of 'someone' when the abstract was created. The signature of the mother, ANN D gives that away, doesn't it?
If this were the 1961 directory that would also carry over to 1962, wouldn’t that ean that all the work that went into setting it up had to be done before 0 was even born according to his accepted birth date? If the directory came out too close to the end of the year then it was out-dated by the time it was published and I don’t think the Polk people would want that.
Good question, and fortunately we do have Charlette’s statement from the Seattle Mystery Museum website (now FORBIDDEN) - which dates the entry:
From Capitol Hill to Capitol Hill
Confirmation that Barack Obama lived on Capitol Hill - Seattle
by Charlette LeFevre
1/6/09
Very little has been written about President Barack Obama¹s mother Stanley Ann Dunham¹s time here in Seattle. Brief articles and even briefer accounts from schoolmates make the person who was the ³most influential² person in Barack¹s life all the more intriguing. A single mother who enrolled in the University of Washington in 1961 and 1962 extension program she likely came across many social prejudices in the predominantly all white campus.
Perhaps Anna Obama felt more at ease in the diverse neighborhood of Capitol Hill which housed many students from the neighboring colleges. Recently located was a listing for Stanley Ann Obama in the 1961 Polk directory at the Seattle Public Library : “Obama Anna Mrs studt h516 13th av E apt. 2”
The publishers of the Polk Directory were apparently contacted, and were ‘unable’ to provide any information regarding when the 1961-62 issue was published...
Thanks for more info. But even if he personally wasn’t a rabid racist, he certainly served that cause, it seems. Including black Moslems.
No certified document examiner would touch authentication of the WH LFBC because the original is not available, for starters and beyond that the digital imaging experts have concluded it is 100% manufactured from bits that cannot be reliably sourced.
No element of the WH LFBC can be relied on in any way, IMO.
The way that Stanley Ann Dunham Obama’s name was constructed piece by piece has no evidentiary value.
No part of the WH LFBC would survive cross-examination under the Federal Rules of Evidence which is why it has never been allowed to be placed into evidence in any trial on the merits with full discovery.
In contrast to the aggressively withheld WH LFBC original in HI, the U of WA transcript could easily be subpoenaed and challenged in federal court, so it readily verifiable. It is corroborated by the publicly available U of HI transcript that an also be subpoenaed. There isn't the slightest serious suspicion that these two university transcripts are not genuine. Only Mal-Val conspiracy theorists invested a priori in Stanley Ann never being in WA or even ever meeting BHO Sr. in HI have intimated there is a problem with these transcripts.
excerpt:
Among the biggest beneficiaries were groups working for integration in the South. Money was given to the Southern Regional Council to study ways of integrating communities and to the National Urban League for the development of the Skills Bank, which recruited blacks for industry and government. Grants were also set up for members of minority groups wanting to attend law school.
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Percy Sutton was perfectly placed to access funds for zero when they were needed, his video telling us the money came from a Saudi prince via a wealthy muslim convert who was originally a founding member of the Black Panthers, might well have been a cover for Percy's own involvement. Told you, he was a clever man...
That is why I started the Mal-Val thread so that you could come out of the shadows where you lurk looking to draw in the unwary with your amazing photo abilities (although they are frequently mislabeled to fit your narrative and can't be relied on).
Lots of varied threads tied together, interesting.
Get over yourself, you inflated little pipsqueak, and go back and see what really happened, I have better things to do than follow you around, on Wednesday, November 7, it came to my notice that in comment #17 on this thread, Sven Magnussen had referred to a ‘Certificate of Loss of Nationality’ - so if I was tracking anyone, it was Sven, I was checking out his home page for some detail.
In response, I posted a graphic on the thread which appeared to be related to his comment.
I wasn’t even aware that the GREAT SEIZETHECARP had posted the article.
And then, YOU PINGED ME FIVE DAYS LATER AFTER I HAD LONG FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT.
See #72 DECEMBER 12
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2955775/replies?c=18
You really are pathetic.
Of course Sven Magnussen is the other thread hijacking and spamming troll on eligibility threads relentlessly pushing his unsupported claim that Barry travelled alone from Indonesia to HI (no evidence anywhere) and that having claimed that he did, he supposedly MUST have been seized at the gate by US officials and had his custody transferred to a Catholic agency in CT who gave his an SS#.
blah blah blah...so you accuse me of trolling and spamming your thread AFTER YOU PINGED ME - didn’t you think Sven would be capable of replying, himself? And btw, the question of what that graphic was all about still hasn’t been completely understood.
I posted it because it was readable, and to clearly show what name was removed.
But you had to stick your nose in it. Because everyone but the great white seizethecarp has to be seen to be right all the time and everyone else is either a dumshiite or an idiot. You’ve done more than any banned obot to gum up the works - your brief is to prevent any further discussion than what you decree is allowable.
It’s time freepers woke up to you.
Sven's unsupported claims appear to support (in your mind, it seems) part of the Mal-Val narrative, so you were happy to jump in and eventually start posting falsely labeled pictures of Mark and David out of the blue...without any prompting from me...as usual.
I don't see why you don't start your own vanity threads promoting the Mal-Val narrative rather than lurking about to post the mislabeled Mark and David pictures on threads started by other FReepers and having nothing to do with the subject of those threads (or anything, frankly).
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