OBAMA’S KENYAN BIRTH RECORDS DISCOVERED IN BRITISH NATIONAL ARCHIVES

The Daily Pen ^ | July 18, 2012 | Dan Crosby

[Seizethecarp]

It now appears the worst fears of the U.S. Constitution’s framers were well founded as investigators working on behalf of the ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama have found yet another lead in a growing mountain of evidence within the public records section of the British National Archives indicating the occurrence of at least four vital events registered to the name of Barack Obama, taking place in the British Protectorate of East Africa (Kenya) between 1953 and 1963, including the birth of two sons before 1963.

The record of birth of a second son prior to Kenyan independence is significant because biographical information about Obama’s family indicates Obama Sr. fathered only one other son prior to Obama II’s birth.

The books containing hand written line records of vital events attributed to Obama are contained in Series RG36 of the Family Records section in the Kew branch of the BNA. The hand written line records first discovered in 2009, indicate several events were registered to the name Barack Obama (appears to be handwritten and spelled “Burack” and “Biraq”) beginning in 1953 and include two births recorded in 1958 and 1960, a marriage license registration in 1954 and a birth in 1961. Barack Obama is said to have died in 1982 and had married at least once more in Kenya and had at least one more child in 1968, but no record of these were found in the BNA because, according to the Archives’ desk reference, the events occurred after Kenya achieved independence from British colonial rule in 1963.

To date, Barack Obama II is the only known alleged son of Obama Sr. born after 1960 and before the independence of Kenya became official in 1963.

[hoosiermama]

That is correct....It would be up to his mother to present this document to obtain citizenship....Did she present it in HI when she was heading to WA?....Or did she just never get around to it....

Another thought...Grandma fills out what she can of the paper work in HI. SHE doesn’t know all the answers. It is recorded. Then this document arrives (did they forward it to HI?) and it is amended...Would explain why the nines are filled in.

[thecodont]

That is correct....It would be up to his mother to present this document to obtain citizenship....Did she present it in HI when she was heading to WA?....Or did she just never get around to it....

Another thought...Grandma fills out what she can of the paper work in HI. SHE doesn’t know all the answers. It is recorded. Then this document arrives (did they forward it to HI?) and it is amended...Would explain why the nines are filled in.

Yes. Great work by Arpaio's posse on that one.

Also thanks to everyone else for looking at the primary sources in HI.

[JDoutrider]

Bookmark to file...

[rodguy911]

Very good stuff,
Saw this one yesterday without all the additions.Anytime Butter is mentioned the piece gets my attention. She has my respect.

[Seizethecarp]

“Also (I’d forgotten this part) if BO has statutory U.S. citizenship through his mother, wasn’t his mother (under 1961 law) not old enough to pass citizenship to her son?”

If Stanley Ann was legally married under US law she did NOT meet the “five years over age 14” residency requirement in 1961.

If Stanley Ann was legally single under US law, she was not subject to the five year requirement and WOULD have passed statutory US nationality to baby Barry with a Kenyan birth.

Let's say she goes to the US consulate in Mombasa at age 18 and they ask for proof of marriage to the father (who may have been legally married in Kenya in 1954 per BNA docs claimed to exist in the article at the top of this thread) and she can't produce proof of marriage or may have discovered the bigamy in Kenya from Barry's relatives, but she does have a passport. Step grandmother in Kenya is reported elsewhere to have said Stanley Ann was staying with her relatives during the later months of pregnancy.

US consulate may have simply applied the “single US citizen mother, foreign birth rule” and deemed Barry to be a statutory US national.

See my vanity on the tell-tale Obot lawyer attempts to make Barry eligible to be POTUS (a total legal travesty) even if he was born in Kenya:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2857598/posts

Obama cites US v Marguet-Pillado. Dicta implies Obama eligible even if born in Kenya (vanity)
vanity | March 11, 2012 | Seizethecarp

Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:23:03 PM by Seizethecarp

In support of the opinion in US v Marguet-Pillado, 9th Cir. 2011, Judge Gwin, writing for the majority in his “III Analysis” dicta, states: “No one disputes that Marguet-Pillado’s requested instruction was ‘an accurate statement of the law,’ in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural-born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements.” On March 1, Sheriff Arpaio’s Posse re-opened the possibility that Obama was born in Kenya by announcing that it had found probable cause to believe that Obama’s long form birth certificate was forged, newspaper birth announcements were unreliable, and that there was now no proof that Obama was born in the USA. A week earlier, with full knowledge of what the Arpaio Posse’s findings would be, “constitutional scholar” Obama’s legal team suddenly started citing the Marguet-Pillado case in multiple PA and GA ballot eligibility state appeals. The following language is included by Obama’s lawyers in the PA and GA MTD filings: “President Obama was a United States citizen from the moment of his birth inHawaii. Since he held citizenship from birth, all Constitutional qualifications have beenmet. Ankeny v. Governor of State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Ind. App., 2009); see,United States v. Marguet-Pillado , 648 F.3d 1001, 1006 (9thCir., 2011). There is no basis to question the President’s citizenship or qualifications to hold office.”
www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2011/08/.../10-50041.pdf

[hoosiermama]

Am I thinking correctly that the primary source located in HI no matter what it has on it because it is NOT prima facia, must have one or more of the following:

Baptismal certificate (fat chance as an infant)
Hospital birth certificate (???? not where he said it was)
Census record (She was in WA)
Early school record (sealed)
Family bible record (Did they own one?)
Doctor’s record of post-natal care (???? where?)

[bluecat6]

“...Since he held citizenship from birth,...”

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Who said this is a fact?

I am sure there many who would say “there is no proof he was not not a US citizen from birth”.

That is incorrect. There is lots of evidence he may not have been a US Citizen between 1968 at 1971.

Evidence #1:
1968: He is removed from SADs passport. There is no offered evidence of Obama holding a US passport or being named on a guardian passport after August of 1968. It appears he ‘lost’ his US citizenship in 1968 from this one apparent publicly known fact. There is no other publicly available fact to dispute the apparent and very clear evidence that Obama was no longer a US citizen as of August 1968.

Evidence #2:
Obama is registered in Indonesian state school as Barry Soetoro. This fact presents that his status was as a child of Lolo Soetoro. As such Obama (Barry Soetoro) had be an Indonesian citizen.

Evidence #3:
Due to the marriage of Lolo and SAD in March of 1965 (not in 1967 as commonly reported) AND the fact that Obama (Barry Soetoro) was under 5 years of age - according to Indonesian law Obama (Barry) would have become an Indonesian citizen due his age.

The statement that “he held citizenship from birth” is backed by no evidence. To validate and verify this statement all his INS records and passport records would be needed.

Regardless of what happened in 1961, there is clear evidence that would imply that Barry Soetoro was not a citizen as of August 1968 - the removal off of SADs passport. And nothing of record indicates he had another US passport or was named on another valid US passport.

Remember where this odyssey started....

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-03-20/politics/obama.passport_1_passport-files-obama-campaign-spokesman-barack-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS

PASSPORT records. A look at this initial report - it names ONLY Obama as the target of the access. Only in later reports were the other candidates layered in.

[Seizethecarp]

“There is lots of evidence he may not have been a US Citizen between 1968 at 1971.”

I disagree. IMO there is no actual evidence (as opposed to speculation) that Barry ceased being a US citizen between 1968 and 1971.

Indonesian law does not govern US citizenship in any way. At best your three examples of evidence that Barry might have been considered adopted under Indonesian law have absolutely no effect on Barry's citizenship status under US law.

At best you have shown that Barry was perhaps a DUAL citizen (or triple US/Kenyan/Indonsesian) and thus able to be treated 100% as a citizen of either Indonesia or the US depending on which country he was in at the time. After age 18 Barry might have been able to obtain an Indonesian passport as an adult by dropping his US citizenship or perhaps Kenyan citizenship.

Contrary to your earlier assertions that Stanley Ann ceased to be a US citizen one year after marrying Lolo, there is nearly incontrovertible evidence from her FIOA INS passport records that she was continuously a US citizen, at least outside of Indonesian territory, and never gave up that US status.

The FOIA INS docs of the investigation Lolo’s relationship to Barry found that Barry was a US citizen “step-son,” NOT an adopted son. This was more than one year after the marriage of his mother and after age five, so as far as the US government was concerned there was no adoption and no loss of US citizenship for Barry. Also note that Barry traveled to Indonesia the first time with his mom as a US citizen on her passport, and not as an adopted son on an Indonseian passport. She applied to drop Barry from her passport AFTER she and Barry were already in Indonesia.

Stanley Ann may have removed Barry (Soebarka) from her passport at the same time that she obtained an as-yet unrevealed US passport for Barry which would have enabled him to travel back and forth from Indonesia to HI apart from her, perhaps with Toot.

[combat_boots]

I’m going with Roberts having to readminister the oath of office privately in order to administer the oath of allegiance to the US first.

After all, the passport does have a 2008 stamp on it. Now.

[hoosiermama]

In either case the Posse has shown that ANY BC released by the state of HI is only valid if it accompanied by supporting documentation. IMO the flow of the river is blocking us from seeing the rocks at the bottom.

He has
1.NO baptismal records
2.No affidavit or records from a hospital....even he has no idea which one he was born.
3.IIRC the closest POLK directory census has him in WA with his mother which proves nothing.
4. Early school records are sealed.....WHY? They would be supportive why would he hide them?
5. Family Bible...You must be kidding.
6. Medical report as a new born....We aren't even allowed to see if he currently is in good health.
7.A signed affidavit from an older family member who witness his birth. His mother and grandmother took that chance to the grave.

What we do have as secondary documentation:
1. Faux Birth Certificate, Selective Service Material
2. Documentation of entry of a child from Kenya in Boston Library.
3. Records/notation of his birth in the Archive in Great Britain
4. At least one Kenyan BC that matches known personnel at the time in Kenya. The Dr of record being a neighbor of SR.
5. Statement from a grandmother that SADO lived with her in last months of pregnancy and that she witnessed his birth.

Ask yourselves what purpose does hiding each or everyone of the individual record serve? Which could he use as supportive material.

[hoosiermama]

Divorce documents,college records and even passport records are products of documentation the precede them. Documents that could be faux or forged.....His birth standing documentations are used to validate the passport, driver’s license. Since the posse says HI BC’s are only legitimate if further documentation is presented with them then obtaining the other is in itself a fraud if he didn’t use the proper secondary documentation.

Passports, DL cannot be used as secondary documentation the are a bi-product of the original. Thus if we keep on track we need to look for supportive or lack of supportive material.

If his secondary products: school records, passport, selective service records are hidden they are hiding what? why? what purpose would it serve?

[bluecat6]

Where is the US passport for Barry Soetoro after he is removed from SADs?

Its that simple.

What passport did he travel on in 1969 when he was in Hawaii and had a picture taken with Scott Inoue? US or Indonesian?

If Indonesian - case closed. Unless there is disagreement that a US citizen MUST show a US passport upon entering the US.

When did Barry Soetoro legally become Barry or Barack Obama? Maybe in 1971. But NOTHING from that period is out. Yet is clear that something happened in December of 1971.

The events of 1971 have much to tell - regardless of what the real events are. Yet, nothing has been made public of the events and associated documentation of this.

1971.

[FARS]

Most pressing question yet. That particular BHO apparently died in a car accident and his persona was borrowed to give the impostor an identity.

It’s not even clear if SAD is even the impostor’s real mother

[Fred Nerks]

An entire year has passed and now I find a comment relating to the Tax Returns filed by Mr & Mrs Soetoro in Hawaii, in which they only claimed to have one dependant child named Maya:

To: SatinDoll

Page 168 of 182

1973 Individual Income Tax Return, State of Hawaii.

EXEMPTIONS: Line 2: First names and ages of your dependent children, give address if they did not live with you.

Maya

Enter number of children named: 1

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SAD Soetoro lost custody of BHO II in 1970 when he returned to Hawaii, alone. BHO’s II SSN application was filed by his case manager of the American Resettlement Organization located in Connecticut because they had legal custody of him throughout the 1970’s.

21 posted on Monday, 11 July 2011 11:01:36 PM by SvenMagnussen

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Perhaps now we might try to understand what Sven has been trying to tell us, and follow what it was that Madelyn Dunham meant when she told Virginia Goeldner the reason they had been bringing up zero was because HIS MOTHER DIED IN 1970.

(She didn't die, she lost custody.)

[chicken head]

I’d would like to see the number of dependants (and who)on madelyn and staley armour dunhams tax records.

[Fred Nerks]

There’s nothing to stop you from looking for them, is there?

[chicken head]

I guess not fred—

[little jeremiah]

Well, he wasn’t a dependent of Stanley and Lolo in 1973, that’s clear. And who in their right or wrong mind would not claim a dependent who is their child, to lower their taxes?

[Fred Nerks]

And I’m somewhat thunderstruck that this information was posted more than one year ago...and no one seemed to notice it. Once I saw the comment (just a few days ago) I had no difficulty locating the document, although there was no source-link provided.
I also noticed that the team at WTPOTUS blog discussed this issue of ONE DEPENDANT quite some time ago...so just how observant can we claim to be?

[little jeremiah]

Seems that everything needs to be gone over more than once, for sure... No one’s senses are perfect and it is easy to miss things the first go-around.