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To: bluecat6; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; null and void; hoosiermama
“There is lots of evidence he may not have been a US Citizen between 1968 at 1971.”

I disagree. IMO there is no actual evidence (as opposed to speculation) that Barry ceased being a US citizen between 1968 and 1971.

Indonesian law does not govern US citizenship in any way. At best your three examples of evidence that Barry might have been considered adopted under Indonesian law have absolutely no effect on Barry's citizenship status under US law.

At best you have shown that Barry was perhaps a DUAL citizen (or triple US/Kenyan/Indonsesian) and thus able to be treated 100% as a citizen of either Indonesia or the US depending on which country he was in at the time. After age 18 Barry might have been able to obtain an Indonesian passport as an adult by dropping his US citizenship or perhaps Kenyan citizenship.

Contrary to your earlier assertions that Stanley Ann ceased to be a US citizen one year after marrying Lolo, there is nearly incontrovertible evidence from her FIOA INS passport records that she was continuously a US citizen, at least outside of Indonesian territory, and never gave up that US status.

The FOIA INS docs of the investigation Lolo’s relationship to Barry found that Barry was a US citizen “step-son,” NOT an adopted son. This was more than one year after the marriage of his mother and after age five, so as far as the US government was concerned there was no adoption and no loss of US citizenship for Barry. Also note that Barry traveled to Indonesia the first time with his mom as a US citizen on her passport, and not as an adopted son on an Indonseian passport. She applied to drop Barry from her passport AFTER she and Barry were already in Indonesia.

Stanley Ann may have removed Barry (Soebarka) from her passport at the same time that she obtained an as-yet unrevealed US passport for Barry which would have enabled him to travel back and forth from Indonesia to HI apart from her, perhaps with Toot.

268 posted on 07/22/2012 3:48:54 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

I’m going with Roberts having to readminister the oath of office privately in order to administer the oath of allegiance to the US first.

After all, the passport does have a 2008 stamp on it. Now.


269 posted on 07/22/2012 3:51:46 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Seizethecarp; bluecat6; thecodont; LucyT
In either case the Posse has shown that ANY BC released by the state of HI is only valid if it accompanied by supporting documentation. IMO the flow of the river is blocking us from seeing the rocks at the bottom.

He has
1.NO baptismal records
2.No affidavit or records from a hospital....even he has no idea which one he was born.
3.IIRC the closest POLK directory census has him in WA with his mother which proves nothing.
4. Early school records are sealed.....WHY? They would be supportive why would he hide them?
5. Family Bible...You must be kidding.
6. Medical report as a new born....We aren't even allowed to see if he currently is in good health.
7.A signed affidavit from an older family member who witness his birth. His mother and grandmother took that chance to the grave.

What we do have as secondary documentation:
1. Faux Birth Certificate, Selective Service Material
2. Documentation of entry of a child from Kenya in Boston Library.
3. Records/notation of his birth in the Archive in Great Britain
4. At least one Kenyan BC that matches known personnel at the time in Kenya. The Dr of record being a neighbor of SR.
5. Statement from a grandmother that SADO lived with her in last months of pregnancy and that she witnessed his birth.

Ask yourselves what purpose does hiding each or everyone of the individual record serve? Which could he use as supportive material.

270 posted on 07/22/2012 4:16:47 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Seizethecarp; Brown Deer; LucyT

Where is the US passport for Barry Soetoro after he is removed from SADs?

Its that simple.

What passport did he travel on in 1969 when he was in Hawaii and had a picture taken with Scott Inoue? US or Indonesian?

If Indonesian - case closed. Unless there is disagreement that a US citizen MUST show a US passport upon entering the US.

When did Barry Soetoro legally become Barry or Barack Obama? Maybe in 1971. But NOTHING from that period is out. Yet is clear that something happened in December of 1971.

The events of 1971 have much to tell - regardless of what the real events are. Yet, nothing has been made public of the events and associated documentation of this.

1971.


272 posted on 07/22/2012 6:16:16 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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