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To: thecodont; LucyT; Brown Deer; melancholy; null and void; hoosiermama
“Also (I’d forgotten this part) if BO has statutory U.S. citizenship through his mother, wasn’t his mother (under 1961 law) not old enough to pass citizenship to her son?”

If Stanley Ann was legally married under US law she did NOT meet the “five years over age 14” residency requirement in 1961.

If Stanley Ann was legally single under US law, she was not subject to the five year requirement and WOULD have passed statutory US nationality to baby Barry with a Kenyan birth.

Let's say she goes to the US consulate in Mombasa at age 18 and they ask for proof of marriage to the father (who may have been legally married in Kenya in 1954 per BNA docs claimed to exist in the article at the top of this thread) and she can't produce proof of marriage or may have discovered the bigamy in Kenya from Barry's relatives, but she does have a passport. Step grandmother in Kenya is reported elsewhere to have said Stanley Ann was staying with her relatives during the later months of pregnancy.

US consulate may have simply applied the “single US citizen mother, foreign birth rule” and deemed Barry to be a statutory US national.

See my vanity on the tell-tale Obot lawyer attempts to make Barry eligible to be POTUS (a total legal travesty) even if he was born in Kenya:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2857598/posts

Obama cites US v Marguet-Pillado. Dicta implies Obama eligible even if born in Kenya (vanity)
vanity | March 11, 2012 | Seizethecarp

Posted on Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:23:03 PM by Seizethecarp

In support of the opinion in US v Marguet-Pillado, 9th Cir. 2011, Judge Gwin, writing for the majority in his “III Analysis” dicta, states: “No one disputes that Marguet-Pillado’s requested instruction was ‘an accurate statement of the law,’ in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural-born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements.” On March 1, Sheriff Arpaio’s Posse re-opened the possibility that Obama was born in Kenya by announcing that it had found probable cause to believe that Obama’s long form birth certificate was forged, newspaper birth announcements were unreliable, and that there was now no proof that Obama was born in the USA. A week earlier, with full knowledge of what the Arpaio Posse’s findings would be, “constitutional scholar” Obama’s legal team suddenly started citing the Marguet-Pillado case in multiple PA and GA ballot eligibility state appeals. The following language is included by Obama’s lawyers in the PA and GA MTD filings: “President Obama was a United States citizen from the moment of his birth inHawaii. Since he held citizenship from birth, all Constitutional qualifications have beenmet. Ankeny v. Governor of State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Ind. App., 2009); see,United States v. Marguet-Pillado , 648 F.3d 1001, 1006 (9thCir., 2011). There is no basis to question the President’s citizenship or qualifications to hold office.”
www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2011/08/.../10-50041.pdf

265 posted on 07/22/2012 1:22:39 PM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Seizethecarp

“...Since he held citizenship from birth,...”

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Who said this is a fact?

I am sure there many who would say “there is no proof he was not not a US citizen from birth”.

That is incorrect. There is lots of evidence he may not have been a US Citizen between 1968 at 1971.

Evidence #1:
1968: He is removed from SADs passport. There is no offered evidence of Obama holding a US passport or being named on a guardian passport after August of 1968. It appears he ‘lost’ his US citizenship in 1968 from this one apparent publicly known fact. There is no other publicly available fact to dispute the apparent and very clear evidence that Obama was no longer a US citizen as of August 1968.

Evidence #2:
Obama is registered in Indonesian state school as Barry Soetoro. This fact presents that his status was as a child of Lolo Soetoro. As such Obama (Barry Soetoro) had be an Indonesian citizen.

Evidence #3:
Due to the marriage of Lolo and SAD in March of 1965 (not in 1967 as commonly reported) AND the fact that Obama (Barry Soetoro) was under 5 years of age - according to Indonesian law Obama (Barry) would have become an Indonesian citizen due his age.

The statement that “he held citizenship from birth” is backed by no evidence. To validate and verify this statement all his INS records and passport records would be needed.

Regardless of what happened in 1961, there is clear evidence that would imply that Barry Soetoro was not a citizen as of August 1968 - the removal off of SADs passport. And nothing of record indicates he had another US passport or was named on another valid US passport.

Remember where this odyssey started....

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-03-20/politics/obama.passport_1_passport-files-obama-campaign-spokesman-barack-obama?_s=PM:POLITICS

PASSPORT records. A look at this initial report - it names ONLY Obama as the target of the access. Only in later reports were the other candidates layered in.


267 posted on 07/22/2012 2:40:59 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: Seizethecarp; TheOldLady; WildHighlander57; netmilsmom; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; ...
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Catching up again.

Begin at # 259 and read through # 303.

See photos, too.

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304 posted on 07/23/2012 7:39:28 AM PDT by LucyT
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