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Conservative “expert” purists have to recognize people are voting AGAINST Obama not FOR Romney
coachisright.com ^ | Juky 5, 2012 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 07/05/2012 10:40:20 AM PDT by jmaroneps37

The Drudge Report carries a picture of Mitt Romney jet skiing with his wife – “Oh no that’s it Barack Obama will cruise to reelection because all is lost!”

A few people, who we’ve heard of, have declared Romney’s campaign virtually dead because THEY don’t like his response to the two worst decisions from the Supreme Court.

These comments are, of course well meaning, but they remind us of the wide gap between grass roots activist TEA party conservative voters and conservative “leaders” who now want to run in front of the parade to appear to be relevant.

There is a huge surge of enthusiasm to get rid of Barack Obama that is happening in the streets and on conservative internet “meeting places” that will flush Barack Obama away in November. How can these “experts” not know this?

In my small but reliable poll 66% my overwhelmingly conservative readers said they were voting AGAINST Barack Obama and just 24% said they were voting FOR Mitt Romney! The large national polls won’t ask this question but that doesn’t alter the truth.

Our “expert” conservative leaders don’t yet understand that not only will conservative voters crawl through broken glass to vote against Obama, BUT more to the point, legions of Americans, especially White voters, who just desperately want Obama gone will see “ROMNEY” as the name on the toilet bowl handle that must be pulled down to flush away Barack Obama – America’s foulest mistake.

Over the past two years Obama’s nationally televised speeches have drawn fewer and fewer listeners. This is because Americans don’t care what he has to say, they want him gone.

Regardless of what he has done, Obama has not gotten ANY lasting “poll bounce” because Americans don’t care what he does, they want…..

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To: j_tull; T O
Repubicans start the contest 10,000,000 votes below the Democrats.

If they really want to win the GOP-e has to kow-tow to all the major factions ~

For what I judge to be bizarre reasoning the Mittbots imagine they can win an election against Obama when they have rejected tens of millions of Republicans.

This is so utterly stupid I'm forced to believe we've been taken over by nothing but coke snorting automobile salesmen.

161 posted on 07/05/2012 4:42:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: j_tull; T O
Repubicans start the contest 10,000,000 votes below the Democrats.

If they really want to win the GOP-e has to kow-tow to all the major factions ~

For what I judge to be bizarre reasoning the Mittbots imagine they can win an election against Obama when they have rejected tens of millions of Republicans.

This is so utterly stupid I'm forced to believe we've been taken over by nothing but coke snorting automobile salesmen.

162 posted on 07/05/2012 4:42:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: PoliticalArsonist

Romney would be the last man to post bond that he’d keep his word on anything.


163 posted on 07/05/2012 4:46:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: mnehring
One more time ~ there were only 3 lifelong Conservative Republicans in the race. There were 13 other candidates registered with the RNC who were either party converts, democrat donors, actually members of other parties, democrat campaign workers and organizers, etc.

NO, the Conservative vote wasn't split ~ it was drowned out in a sea of non-Conservative non-Republican clown acts.

Romney held on to his same old 20% (that I assume he bought somewhere) ~ which made him look better than he really was.

You strip out the outsiders, the three Conservative Republicans would have all looked great!

164 posted on 07/05/2012 4:52:52 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Kazan

Obama told the Egyptian ambassador in January of 2010 that he supports the Muslim agenda (and the agenda which all sects of Islam agree on is the destruction of the US and Israel and the institution of worldwide sharia)

George Soros has said that he is afraid the US will win the “war on terror” because then the US and capitalism will be strong. Soros believes that he, as God, has to wipe out America and capitalism, the 2 great evils in the world. And he apparently would rather have terrorism than America.

Muslims are exempt from Obamacare. This means that “infidels” will be taxed and Muslims will not. Shortly after the 2008 run on the bank, AIG started a “shared health ministry” that would allow Muslims to pitch in their required tithes towards a sort of Muslim collective health reimbursement account, which is compliant with sharia and now allows Muslims to not have insurance of any kind, presumably not spend any more than they would spend on tithing, and yet be eligible to be exempt from Obamacare even while collecting social security. The groundwork that allows Muslims to not be “taxed” even while dhimmis are taxed - which is what sharia calls for - was laid immediately after the Sept 2008 run on the bank. And in fact, the week after the run on the bank, Paulson and Bernanke were busy doing seminars on..... sharia-compliant financing.

So far two rulings in Obama’s eligibility trials have resulted in rulings based on “judge’s knowledge” - which is a trick of sharia, where evidence is not required in order for a ruling to be made. A judge is able to rule based on his own thoughts/wishes - sort of like executive orders by the king/president.

The Muslim Brotherhood has unprecedented access to Obama’s White House.

The New Black Panthers, Muslim Brotherhood, Hezbollah, and Mexican drug cartels are all allies against America. Eric Holder supports and protects all of them from any investigations. Eric Holder is deliberately keeping our southern border unprotected, even while knowing that the drug cartels are working with Muslim terrorists to get into the country. Hezbollah operatives were flown from Iran in direct unchecked flights to Venezuela, providing a large, large number of terrorists to work their way upwards through our soft southern underbelly - perhaps armed with WMD’s from Syria. We know that Chavez is an ally of Iran - who has agreed to allow Iran to use Venezuela for missile launching, which gives them easy access to attack the US using the missile launch capabilities they already have. Iran has been testing the kind of launch necessary for an EMP attack, which would bring the US to a halt and kill what the US government has estimated to be millions of people within the first 6 months.

Major Nidal Hasan killed a bunch of military people at Fort Bragg while shouting “Allahu Akbar!” He was immediately protected legally and the jihadist killings were labeled “workplace violence”. After seeing the legal response to Hasan, a black Muslim convert in Arkansas decided that was the way to go and killed a military recruiter in Arkansas. Right around the same time, FBI informants leaked that Holder had told law enforcement agencies to not investigate Black Muslim converts.

If you have any doubts about liberals’ stance on sharia, try to find liberals who are speaking out against the atrocities of sharia all over the world. Good luck with that.

About a week after the Sept 2008 run on the bank GW Bush suddenly decided to give a speech to the country saying that if we didn’t pass TARP the world as we know it would end. Capitalism would end. Within a very short time after that, communists Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez were saying, “Since capitalism has failed the world should try communism”. Islamists Ahmadinejad and Zawahiri were saying, “Since capitalism has failed the world should try sharia-compliant Islamic finance”. The IMF was meeting in Europe to decide what to do, now that “capitalism had failed”...

We know that George Soros had asked both Hillary and Obama during the 2008 primary if they were on-board with his plans to destroy the US economy (Obama was). And intelligence sources in the Mideast (Egypt?) were hearing in 2007 that there was an imminent act of economic terrorism that was going to be launched by world Muslims against the US. A Freeper happened to be up late and saw an article which said the Sept 2008 run on the bank began in Indonesia. By morning the article was scrubbed.

There is much, much more that I could say. I don’t usually suggest a theory unless I’ve got quite a bit of evidence that factors into my thinking. The trouble is trying to get it all down in one place so others can see it at once.

If Obama tries a coup following either an economic run on the bank or an Iranian EMP attack, he would have Hezbollah operatives all over the country who would do the dirty work for him; he has always stood with the Muslims against America. And if those direct unchecked flights from Iran to Venezuela included WMD’s, then the coup that Obama could stage would be beyond our ability to fight with guns. Bear in mind that Obama is in control of all the medicines and who can get them. Also keep in mind that sources within the DHS have said that the government is arming and preparing for a civil war bloodbath.

So mock if you like, but there are good reasons for anybody who loves this land and/or its people to be very, very concerned. The prevalence of Hezbollah in the US as well as the infiltration of the military by Muslim jihadists have all been in the news because Rep (Peter?) King has spoken out about the alarming signs he sees. Allen West just recently alluded to the training materials found when terrorists were caught, saying that the Muslim plan was to infiltrate and destroy the US from within.

There’s a particular progression that is prescribed for the institution of sharia. Everything Obama has done has advanced that progression, so that countries with majority Muslim populations have had coups wherein the sharia-supporting parties (Muslim Brotherhood and the salafists, primarily) have taken power - and specifically have overthrown the regimes which were allies of the US in the war on terror (Egypt, Libya, etc). Obama is openly supporting talks with the Taliban and other terrorist organizations under the claim that if these groups have their own countries to rule they won’t terrorize the rest of the world. Using that logic he is helping to install terrorists in other countries such as Afghanistan.

Everything Obama has done has been against our own troops and in support of the terrorists who seek to do them harm - for instance, with the Koran burning episode (where Obama refused to point out that the Korans had been desecrated by prisoners and that sharia requires desecrated Korans to be burned), with the refusal to allow discovery of the witnesses to the alleged killing spree by the soldier in Afghanistan (on his third deployment after experiencing a brain injury on his latest tour of duty).

The moves being made by Muslims in the US are to force everybody else to accommodate their religious preferences. I say “preferences” because Islam allows its adherents to live comfortably within the society when they are a small percentage of the population. For instance, if there’s nothing to eat but pork, pork is fine. If they are not able to stop working to do their mandatory prayers, that’s fine. But when they reach a certain percentage of the population, then they have to start pushing for concessions to sharia, with the goal of weaseling their way into full sharia eventually, using court precedents and “cultural acceptance” propaganda. I believe it is when Muslims are 10% of the population they are required to push for sharia, with the first concessions starting at around 8%. And that is what we are seeing in the US right now. Pushing for those concessions is a signal that it is time for the people to push for sharia, which requires them to be enemies of the US Constitution which guarantees religious freedom. Whenever you see that a Muslim has sued a company to be allowed to wear a hijab, or to not have to scan pork in the grocery check-out, etc... that is a signal that American Muslims believe they are at the percentage to begin the push for sharia.

Hopefully you realize that Christians quietly holding signs at an Arab festival in Dearborn, MI were stoned by Muslims in the crowd while police watched without doing anything. The free speech rights of Christians are constantly being violated so that Muslims do not have to see anything against them.

A Muslim convert was elected to a judgeship in PA after claiming to be both republican and democrat, but running on his previous service in the military in the Middle East. In a case where a Muslim man attacked an atheist who was holding a sign ridiculing Islam, the Muslim-convert judge ruled that the atheist had it coming to him because in the country the Muslim man was from the atheist could be stoned to death for ridiculing Mohammed. The judge said he would jail the atheist if he exposed to the world what the judge had just ruled.

My church body deals with refugees from Muslim countries. Christians from Somalia have especially expressed concern that if America doesn’t get wise to how the Islamists function, America will fall VERY QUICKLY. They have seen the progression and are afraid of what is imminent in America.

I can vaguely remember some Islamist groups talking about Arab Spring happening in America. I don’t know the details on that, but I think Glenn Beck has talked about that some too.

I’m also hoping that you are aware of the number of beheadings and “honor killings” in the US. The pattern with that can be seen in Britain, where Muslims gather in enclaves and then they petition the government to have law enforcement that is “culturally sensitive”. So law enforcement is trained to intercept women who are fleeing their families who intend to “honor kill” them, return those women to their families, and tell the man of the house that the daughter/wife/sister ran away from home. What often happens is that the woman either commits suicide or is found dead at the hands of her family. That’s the pattern seen in Britain, and we see that already in places like Dearborn, MI. The whole “cultural sensitivity” thing is geared towards setting precedents for sharia.

But the “honor killings”, beheadings, and such are becoming more common all over the country. Particularly in the south, the Mexican drug cartels have admired the terror created after the beheading video of Daniel Pearl and have since patterned their methods of terror after the Muslim terrorists. That’s why we are seeing groups of people beheaded, gutted, hanged from a bridge, buried in shallow graves en masse, etc.

Several years ago there was basically a “dry run” where some imams in Minneapolis were shouting “death to America!”, took the seats next to the exits rather than their assigned seats, asked for seat belt extenders and then set them on the ground, etc. Passengers reported the behavior, terrorized, and the imams were escorted off the plane, detained, and eventually let go. Within hours, media reports surfaced about these imams who had been discriminated against simply for “praying”. It was only because passengers went on talk radio shows and described what really happened that anybody knew the truth. The Muslims (I think maybe using CAIR) sued the airline AND THE PASSENGERS WHO REPORTED THE THREATENING BEHAVIOR for discrimination, in an attempt to set precedent where anybody who would report suspicious behavior would be subjected to civil lawsuits that would bankrupt them. In that way the Arab money could be used to intimidate normal Americans by the threat of bankrupting lawsuits. Congress eventually passed a law protecting people who report suspicious behavior, but the attempt to call “racist” anybody who reports suspicious behavior is one way of softening the resistance to sharia maneuvers.

And we can see the effect of that regarding Black Muslims such as the New Black Panthers. Just notice how the New Black Panthers had a bounty on the head of George Zimmerman and law enforcement all looked the other way. Look at all the beatings of whites by Blacks - some of them Black Supremacists such as the Yahwah bin Yahweh cult (which practices sub-Saharan supremacy such as that taught to Chicago teachers by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge as forced by Bill Ayers and Barack Obama). The “cultural”/racist charges are meant to disable people from resisting the violence of these groups. And Muslims have a very, very active recruitment program within the prisons. Particularly in Detroit and Chicago there was heavy recruitment for Islam, the Nation of Islam, and the Black Panthers.

This is just stuff off the top of my head, that I remember. There is much, much more. People need to be made aware of this. This stuff is not “vast conspiracy” type stuff. This is what our enemies have done elsewhere and have said straight-out that they plan to do. I’m not sure why it’s considered so radical to simply believe our enemies when they say they are at war with us - especially when they have demonstrated these same tactics over and over again.


165 posted on 07/05/2012 5:04:18 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: so_real

Politically Romney may be every bit as bad as Obama. But that’s not what I’m talking about. I’m talking about crimes. I’m talking about destroying the basic checks and balances of the system. I’m talking about trying to deliberately destroy the US economy.

I get the feeling that you really don’t know how much Obama has killed the system. Politics is stuff that goes back and forth. We can live with politics because as long as we have the checks and balances we can correct bad politics. But if the system itself is compromised there is no way to correct it except by revolution.

Do you acknowledge that there is a difference between a politician who agrees with all the wrong things, and a saboteur/enemy combatant who disables and dismantles the whole system of accountability and the rule of law?

Nothing you’ve said about Romney shows me a Hitler who grabs for himself the power to decide who lives and dies, and makes laws all on his own, takes over all the media for his own propaganda purposes, takes over all manufacturing for his own agenda, etc.

Everything Obama has ever done shows a guy who is systematically dismantling everything that America is - specifically the means of accountability that keeps absolute power from ever happening and absolutely corrupting. That is the secret ingredient for American exceptionalism, and Obama has gone after it as after the jugular that keeps America alive.

That is what I’m talking about.


166 posted on 07/05/2012 5:12:55 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: EternalVigilance

Okay. Sure. And this will happen overnight? Before or after Obama is reelected?


167 posted on 07/05/2012 5:40:51 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: EternalVigilance

“By the way, it is the socialists who are splitting their votes in this election.”

They always do. It’s just more evident this time. I just believe that there will be something to fight for and a way to do it if Romney elected over Obama.


168 posted on 07/05/2012 5:48:20 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: muawiyah

“Romney would be the last man to post bond that he’d keep his word on anything.”

Can you point to anything that I posted that even remotely sounds like I like or trust Romney? The biggest gain I see is that we eliminate the race card even if we pick up the religious bigot card. That will not be as effective in silencing Romney’s critics as the race card is in silencing Obama’s.


169 posted on 07/05/2012 5:52:36 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: butterdezillion

I learned yesterday that some of Romney’s wealth was amassed trafficking in the bodies of innocent little boys and girls murdered in abortion mills. As far as I am concerned, Romney’s Stericycle “business” not only makes him unfit for high office, but unworthy of any respect by any respectable member of our national community. Is it any surprise that Romney feels the need to hide his bloodstained money in secret accounts all over the globe?

My primary goal this election year is to help defeat Romney. Nothing will give me greater satisfaction than to see Mitt Romney repudiated by the American people.


170 posted on 07/05/2012 6:01:10 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: PoliticalArsonist
There is no race card. There might have been but only in the minds of people who suffer from white liberal guilt.

I don't have that problem.

171 posted on 07/05/2012 6:07:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jmaroneps37

In 2016, if Romney lost 2012 because we all decided to not vote for him based on the demonstrable truth that he is a poop sandwich of a nominee, two realities will be extant:

1. We will be dead right.

Those will be the two extant realities.

Please spare me the obvious sarcastic cliche comments (they are predictable) when I ask: “If you could replace FDR in his second term with Romney, would you?” Anyone who thinks that would not have changed (actually avoided) much of the changes in America over the next 3 terms in fundamental, structural, irreversible ways, is just not thinking clearly. Feet not here on earth, where the voting booths have no ‘against’ lever.


172 posted on 07/05/2012 6:36:30 PM PDT by skeama (On what day did God create Barack Obama, and couldn't He have rested on that day.)
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To: PoliticalArsonist; All

I cannot help but witness an hysterical contradiction that no one seems willing to acknowledge.

If everyone here is in agreement that the Ruling Class and this regime in power is lawless, UnConstitutional and absolutely unchained from the rule of law - why do so many of you put faith in the legitimacy of the ballot box this November?

Do you people really believe that Cook County has not gone national? You folks really think and believe that voting for Romney stops America from bleeding out from what Obama and the MarxoFascists putting their moves on the West have already inflicted on us????

I cannot believe the cognitive dissonance I’m seeing even HERE. Are people really so ignorant of history and what happens when the extinct republics before us reached this same point??

Few of you seem to have noticed that Romney was chosen and foisted on us by the Ruling Class oligarchs in power. Preferred nominee of both the MarxoFascist media AND their Dear Leader. We’ve gone Soviet and yet everyone deceives themselves and enjoys being deceived that somehow - we have to hope in the elections in November, expecting the rules will be followed and the votes counted in an an honest fashion.

Despite the fact we have become a deceived and willing to be deceived people, I marvel at the near-religious insistence that the integrity of our institution of voting somehow is not corrupted and that those in power will honor the will of the people who want Obama gone.

Even if Obama himself declares the elections suspended or null and void - we won’t do a damned thing about it. But if given the appearance of legitimacy and a choice - few will even raise an eyebrow and go along with what everyone understands is a corrupted process and institution.

All experience has shown men are willing to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than right themselves by abolishing the forms on which they have become accustomed.

This people have become accustomed to tyranny and deceit, and if the discourse is evidence, then they willing to suffer it and put vain hope in men and corrupted institutions of men to relieve them.

We’re doomed to suffer the consequences because too few are able or willing to think ahead and past what we have become accustomed and the thoughts too terrible to risk.


173 posted on 07/05/2012 8:16:38 PM PDT by INVAR ("Fart for liberty, fart for freedom and fart proudly!" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: muawiyah

I am referring to the democrats use of the race card whenever Obama is criticized. Romney can be criticized without fear of being called racist.

Now is the time to remove Obama, we can deal with Romney later.


174 posted on 07/05/2012 8:17:48 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: PoliticalArsonist

Why half a loaf when there’s still a chance we can get rid of both these guys and their advisors.


175 posted on 07/05/2012 8:19:55 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Who? Which candidate can win?


176 posted on 07/05/2012 8:23:38 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: muawiyah

Who? Which candidate can win the GOP nomination or win in a 3 way race against Romney and Obama?


177 posted on 07/05/2012 8:24:48 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: butterdezillion

But if the system itself is compromised there is no way to correct it except by revolution.

"When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

Do you acknowledge that there is a difference between a politician who agrees with all the wrong things, and a saboteur/enemy combatant who disables and dismantles the whole system of accountability and the rule of law?

Certainly ... one erodes our rights out of ignorance, the other erodes our rights out of wickedness. Regardless of which is our adversary, at the end of the day, our rights are eroded. As such you would do well to avoid saboteurs and politicians alike and elect instead a statesman.

Nothing you’ve said about Romney shows me a Hitler who grabs for himself the power to decide who lives and dies

No, Romney isn't a Hitler in your analogy; he's a Chiang Kai-shek -- only half as bad as Hitler. Romney implemented what has become Obamacare in his home state before Obama was even elected. Certainly he has grabbed the power to decide who lives and dies. It's now a committee decision in Massachusetts. If I recall correctly, you can kill your own unborn child for $50 under Romney's "leadership". And, Romney made a coin or two disposing of the fetuses to boot. Perhaps you don't know how despicable Romney is.


178 posted on 07/05/2012 8:26:45 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: INVAR

Please answer the questions posed at #177.

Both the R and the D candidates are a threat to our liberty. I’ve never argued otherwise. The difference is Obama is a RIGHT NOW problem and Romney is the NEXT problem. Both must be dealt with but lets keep our priorities straight. Unless, that is, you have a plan that the rest of us do not know about.


179 posted on 07/05/2012 8:29:08 PM PDT by PoliticalArsonist
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To: so_real

I don’t like the Romneycare. I don’t like abortion or the disposal of dead babies’ bodies.

But where has Romney said that he can assassinate whoever he wants? When has Romney watched the video of assassinations he ordered, with pornographic thrill, over and over again? Where are the dead bodies of the people that he and/or his machine have killed because they oppose him politically? Tell me the laws he’s broken and the criminal investigations into his actions. What terrorists has he kept close company with? What is his specific plan to destroy the US economy? Which of his puppet-masters has publicly said that they are God and need to destroy America and capitalism? What judge’s order has he disobeyed? What laws has he decided would not be defended in court? When has he committed acts of war against another country? When has he alienated our allies and negotiated with terrorists? When has he threatened to grab an internet kill switch? When has he called small-government people and pro-lifers terrorists?

When you compare Hitler and Chiang Kai-Shek you say the one is half as bad as the other because he only murdered half as many as the other. That is totally different than what we’re talking about here. Except for allowing others to murder through abortion, Romney has not murdered or had his hit-men murder others for him; Obama has. Romney has not taken the entire media for his own propaganda purposes through threats; Obama has. Romney has not put weapons in the hands of criminals specifically so that innocents would be killed for a political agenda; Obama has.

Romney is NOT doing the same things as Obama; not even close. I don’t like Romney’s politics, but Romney does keep it to the level of politics, and NOT to the level of murderous control over everything with the intention of destroying the country.

Hitler and Kia-shek were both murderers and only differed in the number that ended up dead. Obama’s handlers are murderers, but I have yet to hear of anybody that Romney or his handlers have murdered. Hitler and Kai-shek decimated their opponents and seized absolute control, but when has Romney used state agencies to harass his opponents? When has he put his enemies on a terrorist watch list? When has he stolen money from his enemies and given it to his friends by using his governmental power?

Romney’s bad side is nowhere close to the same league as Obama’s.


180 posted on 07/05/2012 9:45:26 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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