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10 Disturbing SHTF Threats that most Preppers Haven’t Prepared For
Off Grid Survival ^ | 6/23/12

Posted on 06/23/2012 7:47:45 AM PDT by Kartographer

1. No Law Enforcement 2. Fake Law Enforcement 3. Law Enforcement and the Military Will Try to Take Your Guns. 4. Gangs & Raiders 5. You need to be able to Defend Yourself. 6. Garbage will become a Killer. 7. You have to Stock up on Sanitation Items 8. Maintaining a Positive Mental Attitude during a Survival Situation 9. You must be prepared to face a number of physical and mental challenges. 10. You will be cut off from the outside World.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: preparedness; preppers; shtf; survival; survivalist
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To: Kartographer

Are you going to sick OWS on me?


101 posted on 06/23/2012 11:42:48 AM PDT by EEGator
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To: Repeat Offender
Are you aware that oil comes out of the ground, and that it does not necessarily take a facility larger than fits on a semi truck to refine it if you are not overly concerned with efficiency?

The factor you mention is neither new, nor something left unaddressed by military people who have been contemplating what would be necessary for a successful counterinsurgency since the Eisenhower presidency.

Fuel is a insurmountable problem in some parts of the world, but not here.

102 posted on 06/23/2012 11:46:49 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Old Sarge

Yes water is important. However it is much easier to acquire here in Florida than in Phoenix.


103 posted on 06/23/2012 11:53:51 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

If not disposed of properly it will likely cost lives.


104 posted on 06/23/2012 11:56:00 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Oh, I agree. My concern is POTABLE water. We’d have no guarantee that water sources wouldn’t be contaminated.


105 posted on 06/23/2012 11:56:51 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc... not just pretty words...)
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To: Stegall Tx; Kartographer

Calcium Hypochlorite is a powerful oxidizer. A google for it and MSDS will provide plenty of information. Calcium Hypochlorite also brings an additional fire hazard in addition to rusting stuff.

Ziploc bags will help but they are porous to the oxygen atom and will not prevent Calcium Hypochlorite from reacting with things around it. Glass or mylar are the only things which will really do the job.


106 posted on 06/23/2012 12:03:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Old Sarge

I purchased several different methods of purifying or sanitizing water so I guess it dropped off my list as complete. Have a Berky, a portable Katadyn, those little bottles of Chloride crystals, and 3 lbs of calcium hypochlorite. Oh and also two 55 gal barrels to collect rain water.

Also, have plans to get a couple bags of the DE powder so I can build a 3 stage water filter among other things DE is good for.

I have plenty of gaps in other areas but I’m not too worried about potable water.


107 posted on 06/23/2012 12:10:42 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

There is something that I don’t think I’ve seen mentioned here, and that is spectacles. I realised that as I am reading this I am wearing reading specs ( my arms are no longer long enough :-)). These can break. Even if you have prescription specs, in South Africa we can buy basic “readers” very cheaply in various strengths from our pharmacies - I think what you refer to as drugstores in the USA. It would be a good idea to have several spares.

For those who are short-sighted, there isn’t such an option - at least, not here.

Anyway, whatever eye problem you have, it is probably always a good idea to keep your your old specs when they get updated just in case you ever them. They will be better than nothing.

You must always be able to read instructions or warnings on anything that you use whether on equipment you don’t use regularly, or medicines with which you aren’t familiar.


108 posted on 06/23/2012 12:21:24 PM PDT by Diapason
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To: Kartographer

Until recent times that author would have titled his article in a more adult manner.

“10 Disturbing Threats that most Preppers Haven’t Prepared For.”


109 posted on 06/23/2012 12:22:08 PM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: Repeat Offender

This all reminds me of an old board game called “After the Holocaust”.

ATH was a scenario of a post-nuclear exchange in America, the huge die-off that followed, and how society began recovering over a 20-year period.

The recovery coalesced around regional entities that were more by random chance than natural selection. In the Northeast, it was AT&T. In the Southwest, a mix of state police, National Guard, and veterans associations. In the West Coast, Bank of America. In the Midwest, the “Church of the Chosen Few”, a splinter of the Missouri Synod.

Each group had a memory of a UNITED States of America, and was convinced that their memory was better than the others.


110 posted on 06/23/2012 12:27:19 PM PDT by Old Sarge (Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc... not just pretty words...)
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To: MrEdd
Yes, I am aware that fuel comes out of the ground. Yes, I am also aware that it can be refined rather crudely if you are not overly concerned with efficiency.

How many mobile semi truck refining facilities do we currently have? I mean there must be a whole lot of them since oil just flows right out of the ground and everyone can do it..........that's why gas and diesel are selling for around .25 a gallon right now?

And of course we can transport fuel from our current wells to refining semis and forces in the field without using fuel consuming trucks, or traveling long distances? And of course all of the manufacturing infrastructure that will allow us to make spare truck parts, drilling equipment, and refining equipment will all remain in place after the SHTF? Oh, and let's not forget a sizable portion of your force can also be supplied and managed to secure all of that infrastructure.

Fuel is just one aspect of a military's logistics train. You also have BBB.....beans, bullets, and bandages considering that ALL of those things need to be delivered in a relatively quick manner, that means they most likely need to be delivered on a truck. Not to mention the need for trucks if you're going to be moving your howitzers around, or your troops with any amount of speed.

And yes, this idea is nothing new; however, let's take a look at Iraq......we've been engaged in COIN since 2003 - that will be 10 years this March.

Let's take a look at Afghanistan.....we've been engaged in COIN since 2001 - that is just over 11 years.

And operations within both of these countries are being fought by multinational coalitions with the latest and greatest weapons and gadgets, with some of the most advanced logistics trains in the history of mankind. Oh yeah, did I mention these are PAID VOLUNTEER FORCES, which have historically shown to be more effective than conscripts. Iraq and Afghanistan are each, what the size of New York? What about the other 48 states? (or 55 if you're the incompetent CiC we have now). What about contingencies such as mass numbers of refugees flowing north from Latin America?

Just as a small example......try reading up about the difficulties of getting fuel and logistics around in Afghanistan; Google "NATO fuel trucks attacked Afghanistan." Now, multiply that by 50 more states, while accounting for a large portion of your force deserting, as well as a break down in infrastructure such as the production of food, ammunition, and medical supplies.

I highly doubt that the continental US could be reconquered under such circumstances following a full out no kidding SHTF scenario without major use of nuclear weapons....and even then, the county would be vastly different than it is now and most likely STILL could not bring pockets of resistance in deep rural areas under control.

Hell even in the War Between the States, the Confederates almost won and they barely had means to manufacture cannons at the start of the war. Think of all the machine shops in the country now that could make cannons or black powder mortar systems relatively easily......hell you can buy them on the internet now for about $400.

It is much more plausible to see thee country break down into many smaller fractions. And in order for that to happen, it would be MANY fighting forces and NOT TWO LARGE OPPOSING FORCES SUCH AS WWII OR GULF WAR I, which was what you originally stated would happen; something akin to WWII or GWI vice Afghanistan or Bosnia. And even after that, there would still be pockets of violence/resistance for a while after that (Shay's Rebellion following the Revolutionary and the War Between the States [as predicted in the Anti-Federalist Papers]).

Things are a lot different now and commonalities don't necessarily span such large areas like in CWI; warfare has also evolved since then too, it's also why we're not manning trenches in Iraq and Afghanistan like in WWI and WWII.

111 posted on 06/23/2012 1:04:39 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: packrat35
I have 3 labs that need feeding. Bodies will do when the dogfood runs out.

Reminds me of A Boy and His Dog

112 posted on 06/23/2012 2:08:06 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: driftdiver

“If not disposed of properly it will likely cost lives.”

That’s the problem. And I don’t see much discussion on the matter as part of being prepared.


113 posted on 06/23/2012 2:20:54 PM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Old Sarge
I'm already making beer and growing tobacco. If the SHTF much worse than it already has, I'll be trading both.

/johnny

114 posted on 06/23/2012 2:22:34 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer
I'm a sworn celibate, so I tend to not think about that older trade item. ;)

/johnny

115 posted on 06/23/2012 2:24:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer
May be of interest:

10 People Who Made A Killing During The Great Depression

116 posted on 06/23/2012 2:37:42 PM PDT by blam
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To: Old Sarge
I lived through this event.

The question is ...what did I learn from it?

First I was at work at NASA Plumbrook Station in a radioactive area. We had to use battery operated Geiger counters to clear about 100 workers to go home.

2. There was no phone communication. Cell towers were not working for lack of power and surprisingly neither were the landlines.

3. Local Gas pumps were not working, I had enough gas to get home that evening. But, not enough to get to work the next day. Stations on the turnpike I-80 pumps had power and were selling gas. They had generators.

4. No one thought about water at first, but as the hours ticked off, water pressure around the city started to drop.

5. Soon radio broadcasts were saying there wasn't enough pressure to flush toilets and contamination was an issue.

Water will be golden or the means & knowledge to purify it. In less than 24 hours without electricity the government water supply was compromised. Now, this event was peaceful even though there was no power and a heat wave. Today I have rain-barrels of water, several containers of bleach, and never let the car get below half a tank of gas.

More recently I've been thinking about how much we depend on things called the 'grid.' Gas, Water, Electric and ponder how did we ever get along without such things less than 100 years ago.

117 posted on 06/23/2012 2:48:11 PM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: baddog 219

Bleach Shelf life: http://www.clorox.com/blogs/dr-laundry/2007/08/07/bleach-shelf-life/


118 posted on 06/23/2012 2:52:09 PM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"I'm a sworn celibate"

Seems I that at least for today I have a movie quote for every post!

From the movie 'Broken Trail':"bring a strong man to his knees. Read your history. Now look ant the Kings and kingdoms that have fallen to that little split-tail..." -Prentice Ritter (played by Rober Duvall)

You are a stronger man than I Johnny!

119 posted on 06/23/2012 3:31:15 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Old Sarge
We’d have no guarantee that water sources wouldn’t be contaminated.

Which is why our forefathers boiled their water with malted barley and hops. ;)

George Washington had quite the brewery.

/johnny

120 posted on 06/23/2012 3:59:00 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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