Is It A Sin To Vote For Mitt Romney?

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[Manic_Episode]

Is it a sin to vote for Mitt Romney?

Well first off if you're not a Christian don't bother reading any further. This does not apply to you and your comments/scoffs) are not solicited. Leave now.

For those of you who are saved by the blood of The Lamb and are disciples of The Lord Jesus Christ I would ask you to consider the following:

Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System

Here in the USA when we run afoul of the law we are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

In Gods system we are guilty until proven innocent,

Romans 3:23 "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". (emphasis mine)

ALL have sinned. Not some, not my neighbor, but ME and YOU. ALL. We are guilty, you and I.

In the criminal justice system of the United States the punishment has to fit the crime. In many countries around the world today Sharia Law requires that a thief's hand be cut off if caught for stealing. This seems harsh and brutal compared to the offense. We have the death penalty here in the USA but you have to do something really bad to be sentenced to die.

In Gods criminal justice system we are all guilty and sentenced to death. Done deal. It has already happened whether you know it or not:

Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death,"

So we all have sinned and the wage of that sin is death. Does the penalty fit the crime? Is this fair and just?

Absolutely! God is all about justice, kindness and righteousness.

Jeremiah 9:24

24 but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.

So under Gods criminal justice system one can incur the death penalty for lying? That is just? The punishment fits the crime?

Yes. First of all, I, for one, have committed WAY more than just tell a fib. After all, sin is breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I am a serial offender. I am a sinner. No two ways around it. When it comes to keeping Gods commands I am a complete failure. I am bankrupt.

Understand that Gods Holiness is so great and awesome and unfathomable that it cannot be defiled by our sin and justice DEMANDS that sin be cast out of Gods presence.

The best we can come up with, our very best efforts we can muster when we try as hard as we possibly can, God refers to these as "filthy rags",

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

The literal translation of "filthy rags" is even worse than it sounds. Try "menstruous rags" on for size. Ok, some of you are trying them on for size in real life, you know what I'm talking about. Gross.

Our best works are disgusting to God. More of Gods so called justice? Yes, when you understand His holy nature, yes indeed.

Interesting thing about Gods Justice system; He is quite reasonable in that He sets a certain price for our penalty and accepts that price from whoever can afford it.

That price is our very life, but if someone could afford to pay it off for us God would accept it.

It is such a high price that I could not afford to pay for my kids penalty because I am in debt for my own sin, but what if someone came along who could afford to pay my dept? Someone who had not incurred their own death penalty. Someone who was sinless and loved me enough to pay for my sin with their innocent life? God would and does accept that payment.

This is Gods criminal justice system: John 3:16

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

1 John 5:11-12

11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Jesus, I accept you as my Savior and my Lord. Thank you for loving me and for paying my way. I am in your debt forever.

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Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System Part 2

Here in the US someone can be convicted of murder without ever having actually killed anyone, but because they were "in on it" they are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

In order to be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder a prosecutor must prove 3 elements to gain a conviction.

1.) The defendant intended to agree and did agree with someone to commit murder;

2.) At the time of the agreement, the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended that one or more of them would commit murder;

3.) (The/One of the) defendant[s] of coparticipant[s] or (both/ all) of them] committed [at least one of] the overt act[s] alleged to accomplish the murder;

Examples of this crime would be hiring a hitman. The person paying for the murder is just as guilty as the hitman.

Charles Manson claims he never killed anyone but he has been in prison for nearly 40 years for conspiracy.

WHEN SYSTEMS COLLIDE

Abortion is a perfectly legal murder in mans criminal justice system, but I submit that in Gods criminal justice system it is a sin of the most heinous sort, one that brutally ends the life of our most vulnerable and innocent members to the tune of a staggering 54 MILLION VICTIMS in the US alone, and counting.

Those directly responsible are quite obvious, but what of the coparticipants? Those that have conspired against these 54 million vulnerable innocent crime victims? It takes a massively wide conspiracy of unbelievable proportions to accomplish a crime of this unfathomable magnitude.

I submit that all those who keep this sin legal are just as guilty as those who are direct participants.

Abortion is a main plank of the Democratic platform. When you vote for a party you are putting your seal of approval on that platform. You are agreeing and supporting their goals when you cast your vote for their party.

You cannot say you disagree with their main plank yet support that main plank with your vote. This is contradictory. They are not hiding this plank so your vote is cast with open eyes knowing this.

We as human beings are amazing in our ability to justify our actions and if we are creative enough we can justify anything, including conspiring to murder 54 million vulnerable and innocent lives.

You have blood on your hands.

The excuses come fast and easy but there is no excuse for sin. None. We must take responsibility for our own sins and yes, I am absolutely saying that voting for a party that openly supports sin is enabling that sin and participating in that sin and sinning right along with that sin.

The creative justification part of us will immediately start pointing fingers at all sorts of things trying to muddy the waters, but what can possibly top 54 MILLION SENSELESS MURDERS OF THE VULNERABLE AND INNOCENT!!?? NOTHING!!

Not war, not compassion for the poor, not social policy, not fiscal policy. Nothing. This slaughter on our own soil makes the Holocaust look like childs play in comparison.

So in sheer body count alone there is no more important thing we should be voting for above this.

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I wrote these a few years ago and would add the following thoughts:

Mitt Romney, despite his shallow words to the contrary, has a clear record of supporting abortion (not to mention homosexuality, forced health care, global warming, anti gun legislation, liberal judges, etc etc) and as such I believe I would become a co-participant in conspiracy to commit murder if I were to support him with my vote to lead our country.

I also believe what is a sin for one man may not be a sin for another based on my understanding of this passage:

Romans 14:23

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

This passage explains that if you think it is a sin then for you it is indeed a sin whether is really is a sin or not, and for others of stronger faith it is not a sin.

As I explained in my now long winded article I believe voting for someone pro choice is a sin for me, I would then ask this:

BASED ON SCRIPTURE AND REASON, how could I believe otherwise?

Don't equivocate that the survival of our country depends on Mitt winning because Obama is the boogieman.

I want to know where the flaws in my reasoning may be.

If you are a Christian and believe otherwise, how did you come to your conclusion based on scripture and reason?

[gitmo]

Manic’s post isn’t saying voting for Romney is a sin for everyone. His premise is based on Paul’s admonition about things that are not specifically mentioned in Scripture. Paul said if eating meat sacrificed to idols feels sinful to you, then it is. If not, then enjoy your freedom but don’t flaunt it before those who can’t ... you might cause them to violate the direction they received from God.

So he raises an interesting point. If he feels it is sinful for him to vote for an abortion-pusher and for someone who supports the homosexual lifestyle, then it would indeed be sinful for him to vote for that man.

[EBH]

i’m not so sure they aren’t....

[Smokin' Joe]

“So strange as it seems, I’m leaning towards thinking Obama is the lesser of the two evils, if only because he is more likely to be blocked and made ineffective. “

A salient point: The most damnable legislation established under Bush (with a lot of GOP support) is already being morphed into a surveillance society bent on finishing off the Fourth Amendment. Had Clinton proposed the Patriot Act, it would have been fought tooth and nail.

We don't need a wolf in sheep's clothing to lull the GOP and conservatives into thinking the Liberal Juggernaut is slowed or turning.

Similarly, voting for the leftward tack the GOP has been on since Reagan, since Goldwater, just produces more of the same. The 'middle of the road' has been so severely redefined in my lifetime that Jack Kennedy could have run to the right of many GOP candidates today.

Giving tacit approval to the statist drift, even in the form of voting for a 'lesser' evil, has produced only more drift to the Left: a greater evil, just on the installment plan.

I will be looking at other candidates. I cannot, in good conscience vote for either of the pro-homosexual, pro-abortion, State run healthcare monopoly loving, anti-gun candidates.

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

Since you (and you are not the 1st to approach this issue from a religious perspective; see diogenesis’s rant a couple of days ago about how “Christians and Patriots” should not vote for Romney) I assume you are advancing the narrative in a manner of committing a sin 0f (COMMISSION) if one votes for Mittens?

HOW’S ABOUT taking the opposite track and asking all, if by staying home or voting for someone else (write in) whether one is committing a equally grievous “sin” through “COMMISSION,” whereby one is facilitating the re-election of a person who is TRULY “EVIL?”

James chapter 4 and verse 17. “THEREFORE TO HIM THAT KNOWETH TO DO GOOD, AND DOETH IT NOT, TO HIM IT IS SIN” (JAMES 4:17). THE SIN OF FAILING TO DO WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO

All it takes for EVIL.....

..... to triumph is for good men to do nothing!"

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

Correction:

Should read: whether one is committing a equally grievous “sin” through “COMMISSION,”"OMISSION" whereby one is facilitating the re-election of a person who is TRULY “EVIL?”

[Belteshazzar]

CommerceComet wrote:
“All of this is built on a false assumption - no Christian is under the obligation to vote for either man.”

Your argument is built on the false assumption that I said a Christian is under obligation to vote for either man. I never said that. You leaped to that assumption in order to make the point you wanted to make.

Finally, if we are going to restrict our vote giving as Christians to those who are not, as you put it, “enemies of the cross,” we will be doing very little voting. That is the nature of politics and of those who aspire to political power. Few of them are “friends of the cross.” As for Romney being more dangerous, I just don’t buy your argument. Sure, Mormonism is a false gospel. In fact, I will go farther. It is a ridiculous, phantasmagorical gospel dreamed up by a 19th century con man for his own profit. That it was transformed into a religion is a tribute to the gullibility of the many and cynical and self-centered ambition of the few. The Mormon few (i.e. the elite/hierarchy) have been trying to “take over” the United States for almost 200 years now. I’m not overly worried about their chances of success.

[driftdiver]

The left thinks one of them is Santa Claus

[CommerceComet]

Your argument is built on the false assumption that I said a Christian is under obligation to vote for either man. I never said that.

I never said you did. An assumption doesn't have to be directly stated but can be implied.

Few of them are “friends of the cross.” As for Romney being more dangerous, I just don’t buy your argument.

I have never insisted on theological purity from the political candidates that I support. However, there is a difference between someone who isn't a friend of the cross and someone who is an enemy of the cross. I voted for John McCain (without enthusiasm) because he wasn't an active enemy of the cross. That cannot be said about Mitt Romney. If you aren't convinced of the hostility of Mormonism to evangelical Christianity, read what their leaders throughout history have said about Christians and not the releases of their PR department.

[CommerceComet]

Finally, you never even bothered (sigh) to address my point that not voting for Romney is the equivalent of a vote for Obama.

Because it's not equivalent. If I vote for Obama (and I won't), Romney has to attract two votes to win (one to cancel the vote for Obama and one to create a margin). If I don't vote for Obama, Romney only needs to attract one vote to create a margin.

[MHGinTN]

Brilliant ... as usual.

[b4its2late]

If anything, it should be a sin if you vote for Obama a second time, or if this would be your first time.

[Thorliveshere]

Just like everything that happens is not God's will. It's never God's will that people sin, but they do. It's never God's will that people reject him and die in their ins, and thus face the second death, but they do.

Well, yes, good points. I guess I didn't get that across, but I think I was more less aimed for that very first sentence, and kind of botched it.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"This is covered in like the first class of Statistics 101. I guess the three of you missed that class.."

Thanks for your patience and understanding with the rest of us!

Because of your insight, I now realize that [statistically speaking] every time I choose a 7-up, instead of a Pepsi, I am voting for Coke!

I never knew! Shazam!!!

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You also may want to review the following information to take your understanding of American elections even farther. I believe you will be amazed when you come to understand this on a deeper level!

Let me Google that for you!

[arthurus]

That Advocate does not argue to the Judge the existence or absence of sin. Is God the Father omniscient or is He not? That Advocate says, “Even though...”

[CommerceComet]

Excellent response, AMPU but I usually vote for Coke by drinking Squirt.

[MHGinTN]

Do you believe this Republic will survive another four years of the little barry bastard commie and his gaggle of thuggish goons? Do you think Romney and Obama would appoitn the same judges to the SCOTUS?

[MHGinTN]

Do you believe this Republic will survive another four years of the little barry bastard commie and his gaggle of thuggish goons? Do you think Romney and Obama would appoitn the same judges to the SCOTUS?

BTW, the analogy presented by presidio is valid if you were comparing the purchases of Coke with other soft drinks of similar nature, with a given background purchasing populace who will choose either coke or any other soft drink. Ridiculing an analogy because you don't like the stark truth contained therein is an alinsky tactic, if you didn't know already.

[CommerceComet]

BTW, the analogy presented by presidio is valid if you were comparing the purchases of Coke with other soft drinks of similar nature, with a given background purchasing populace who will choose either coke or any other soft drink. Ridiculing an analogy because you don't like the stark truth contained therein is an alinsky tactic, if you didn't know already.

Valid? I believe that the example violates both the category fallacy and the proportions fallacy. Besides, as AMPU points out, it is irrelevant because it is the electoral votes, not the popular vote, which determine the outcome. In my state, my refusal to vote for Romney would have to be multiplied by 500,000 times to possibly make any difference.

Do you have any positive reasons to vote for Romney? Frankly, the Chicken Little routine is getting tiresome. I am only slightly more concerned about what Obama might do to the country than what Romney would do to this nation and to the conservative movement. Not enough, however, to soil my hands by voting for Romney.

[MHGinTN]

And once again the alinsky ridicule tactics surface from another direction. What you so asshattingly call a chicken little routine is in fact the imminent death of the AMERICAN REPUBLIC some of us see coming if little barry bastard commie is allowed to rule for four more years.

It has yet to sink into your smarmy brain that there will be no ‘conservative movement’ if Barry succeeds in his plans to terminate the Republic. So go suck an egg, brainiac. The rational adults will try to save the Republic by incremental steps, beginning with getting rid of little barry bastard commie come January 2013. Dragging Milt Rominy (rhymes with hominy, the tasteless corn product) to the right is to follow shortly after ridding the nation of the commie infestation and Eric 'the raddish' Holder.

[norton]

Some day you may even be judged by a higher authority for supporting a man who pushed $50 abortions not even a decade ago. The defense that the other pro-abortion candidate is worse because he has a (D) next to his name will not matter. You will be judged for who you support.

By your logic, it's going to be a sin to vote unless you want to write your pastor in for prez.

It ain't like we were talking about splitting the baby here;
We're talking about voting for someone we dislike and disagree with - who we have a chance of influencing - versus one we like less, disagree with (far) more and have absolutely NO influence over:
Or tossing a vote into the hopper because you don't want to play.

Your choice.

PS: I think God pays more attention to my deeds and my motives than for any difficult decisions I might have to make in order to "render unto Cesar".

PPS: Haven't been able to vote yet?
(I voted for Santorum...we could have used your help.)
Got anything planned between now and November?