Hawaii claims Obama 'birth certificate' is 'confidential'Refuses subpoena...

World Net Daily ^ | 6/14/11 | Bob Unruh

[westcoastwillieg]

The state of Hawaii claims that the "birth certificate" for Barack Obama in its files – presumably the document that was copied and distributed by the White House – remains confidential.

The image released April 27 by the White House was described by administration officials as "proof positive" of Obama's Hawaiian birth.

At that time, officials in Hawaii's health department and governor's office refused to provide confirmation to WND that the image released by the White House accurately represented the birth documentation in the state's custody.

Now, officials have refused to respond to a subpoena requesting the birth record, citing confidentiality...

[itsahoot]

Did you not notice that Hawaii rushed to pass laws that prohibits anyone from requesting a long form birth certificate?

All done after the las election. Now I know this was just a coincidence, so nothing to get upset about. Who needs a stinking constitution anyway. After all we have many Hollywood actors that are much smarter than any of the little people, maybe we should just let them rule over us.

[BuckeyeTexan]

Anyone who is surprised by this hasn’t been paying attention. Orly Taitz usually doesn’t follow the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure.

I said when she issued this subpoena that Hawaii likely wouldn’t comply for the reasons they ultimately stated. I also said it is unlikely that the judge will enforce compliance.

However, the fact that Obama publicly released the LFBC and did so by requesting an exception from the Hawaii DoH with the obvious intent to publicly release the document it is a legitimate argument that his LFBC can no longer be considered confidential by Hawaii.

If Orly were to pursue that idea and the judge agreed, Hawaii would likely concede that Obama’s LFBC is no longer confidential but would assert that Orly has no right to inspect the HDoH’s original records. A certified copy is likely all she could get, if that.

[Revel]

“Put the Governor in jail for contempt.”

I believe that this governor was put in place specifically for the purpose of collaborating with Obama on the birth certificate.

[OldNewYork]

That’s an interesting view of things, but I can’t bring myself to agree it was so conspiratorial, even if I’m granting that Trump is no angel.

[Netizen]

“If that”, is about right. Something sure seems to be amiss between the original and the certified copy.

[bvw]

Joined in august last year, only a few posts and ALL on the BC issue. Zounds like ....

[bvw]

Nice, but based on delusion. If only you did not take what Obama and spokesyappers said about Hawaiian records law as gospel.

[ilovesarah2012]

Why do you believe everyone in Hawaii would risk jail to cover up for Obama if he wasn't born in Hawaii? Do you think everyone is in on this conspiracy?

[bluecat6]

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate http://snarkybytes.com/2008/06/18/hawaii-birth-certificate-1963/ Looks the same to me.

The form is the same. The reproduction for the 'certified copy' is not. The Obama 'certified copy' contains an obvious bend on the left side - complete with shadow. The 'certified copy' linked above - does not. Why? Why the difference in how the reproduction of the actual original forms? The answer - old vs. new technology. Old technology and old certified copies are actually photos of a real document physical document. Photos! See the Nordyke twins certificates. They have the have same bend in the certified copy image because they are from photos of a real document. Like a photo it also also has varying shades of grey through out the copy.

Alan's certified copy does not have the noticeable left hand bend. Why - it is a certified copy made much later and it is not a photographed document. It is a scanned image. It is flat. Also the image is create using 1-bit pixels (i.e. on/off). No shades of gray. You can not tell the different between pre-printed lines and filled in writing - its all one shade of black.

So the forms are the same but the reproduction techniques to create a certified copy do not synch up. Something is not right.

[butterdezillion]

Actually, the certification is totally different. Unless it’s been redacted, that BC doesn’t have the registrar’s certifying statement or signature, as required by the DOH Administrative Rules.

And neither that BC nor the one Obama presented actually fulfills the requirements in Title 11, which says that the 2 1/4” seal of the DOH SHALL BE embossed near the signature of the Director of Health to verify certificates. In Feb of 2005 Title 11 replaced what had previously been in effect, which apparently contained the same requirement (based on BC’s issued at all times previous to that)

Neither Obama’s nor “Alan’s” BC has a 2 1/4-inch seal and neither has the signature of the DOH Director. Both required by Title 11.

Neither one would hold up in a court of law.

If I was Alan and the HDOH genuinely sent me that, I would sue them for fraud, having paid for a legally-valid certified BC and instead receiving something that would not stand up in court.

If I was Orly I would depose Corsi’s informant from the HDOH who said that there was no BC in their book until a specific point in time (can’t remember exactly when that happened but the informant claimed to know exactly when the forgery had been placed in their BC volume). I would also subpoena the computerized transaction logs and request that some kind of protection be put in place so that they could not be tampered with in the meantime.

[bvw]

everyone in Hawaii

In the case of the "Hawaiian Dog that Didn't Bark" it is really not so many people. Between four and a dozen, maybe. Those are the close circle that actually had access to the original birth records and logs.

[BuckeyeTexan]

I didn’t say anything about their records law.

[himno hero]

It really shouldn’t be necessary.

Once yo enter the ring of public service, your life should be an open book for all to see s protection for the electorate. That way we can truly get to know our representatives to ensure that we are not getting a rogue.... like we did.

These concepts were thought up long ago to help insure we the electorate would find the best man for the job.... and not some obscure manchurian like what we just got.

[Fractal Trader]

ping

[butterdezillion]

For darn sure Okubo, Onaka, Fukino, and Fuddy are in on it.

Look at Title 11. Certificates are required to have the official 2 1/4-inch-diameter DOH seal embossed near the signature of the Director of Health. Obama’s has neither. Anybody in that office could tell at a moment’s glance that what Obama posted was not from their office, unless their office routinely violates their own legal requirements (in which case none of the BC’s they’ve issued in violation of the legal requirements would stand up in a court of law).

So everybody at the HDOH office is either violating their own legal requirements OR guilty of misprision of the felony of forgery. Take your pick. Either way it spells big legal trouble for everybody there.

Why they would risk it is a question the whole country deserves legal answers to. Must have been some pretty big sticks and carrots, or else they were counting on there being no rule of law anywhere.

Why does this matter? Because absolute power corrupts absolutely. The ENTIRE FOUNDATION of this country is that elections, Constitution, checks and balances, separation of powers etc are NECESSARY TO PREVENT ABSOLUTE CORRUPTION. Whenever we’ve got a government that has no fear of consequences when they violate the laws, we’ve got America ABSOLUTELY BROKEN.

What we’ve got in both Obama and every government agency that claims to have any records for Obama... is absolute, despicable, wanton, flip-the-bird-in-the-face-of-everybody, BLATANT defiant lawlessness.

If we ho-hum that, we’ve lost our soul as a nation and it’s just a matter of time before our meat falls off the bone as well.

[BuckeyeTexan]

The snag is that there is no judge in Hawaii that can be trusted to grant access. Now Orly Taitz has finally gotten a judge outside Hawaii to grant access, and the HDOH is trying to ignore the subpoena.

Orly didn't get Judge Lamberth to grant access. She downloaded a standard blank subpoena form from his website and filled it out. Neither Judge Lamberth nor his clerk signed that subpoena. Orly cannot issue a subpoena under the authority of Lamberh's court because she is not an officer of his court. She's not a member of the bar of that court. So the subpoena is not valid and was not properly served under the FRCP.

[Vendome]

That is not the Long Form Birth Certificate(though it may be a COLB).

It is another walk up document. The original COLB was the type you can purchase and receive the same day.

For 3+ years we have heard from everybody, including a protective media, that there is no other document.

• "That is the only one Hawaii provides."

 

Well now they have proven that just isn’t so and validated part of Hawaii Statute 338 in the process.

The document Mubarak proffered this week is one you can request and it normally takes 10 days to receive it.

They are “Data Points” and the document “IS NOT” a copy of the original Long Form Birth Certificate.

I want to see the Birth Certificate he found among his mother’s belongings, the one his mother submitted for his entrance into the school system and the one he used to obtain his passport.

He has all three available to him and in his possession.

The fact of the matter is the document Barak released is another Abstract

I CERTIFY THIS IS A TRUE COPY OR

ABSTRACT OF THE "TXE" RECORD ON FILE IN

THE HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

 

 

Now compare that with what a real Birth Certificate looks like and the wording

at the bottom that declares the provenance of the Birth Certificate:

 

THIS CERTIFIES THAT THE ABOVE IS A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE

ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE IN THE BUREAU OF HEALTH STATISTICS

TERRITORY OF HAWAII DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH

 

[Waco]

His father is said to be a Bitish subject, all this birth cert. crap is just a cover, a diverson maybe. This may be what they don’t want to talk about. Remember, the SCOTUS, FBI, CIA, NSA, are happily aiding and abeting treason. There is little they don’t know if they want to.

[bvw]

Indeed it was what you said. To be exact you said: "the fact that Obama publicly released the LFBC and did so by requesting an exception from the Hawaii DoH with the obvious intent to publicly release the document"

[null and void]

Where do we go from here?