Posted on 06/15/2011 8:52:24 AM PDT by westcoastwillieg
The state of Hawaii claims that the "birth certificate" for Barack Obama in its files – presumably the document that was copied and distributed by the White House – remains confidential.
The image released April 27 by the White House was described by administration officials as "proof positive" of Obama's Hawaiian birth.
At that time, officials in Hawaii's health department and governor's office refused to provide confirmation to WND that the image released by the White House accurately represented the birth documentation in the state's custody.
Now, officials have refused to respond to a subpoena requesting the birth record, citing confidentiality...
(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...
So you tell me: when and how do we reclaim the rule of law? That’s what I care about. When and how do government bureaucrats at every level suddenly realize that we the people can hold them accountable when they break the law? And if they never get that message then exactly what difference does it make what laws are passed, since they will just be ignored and/or broken anyway, and nobody can do a thing about it?
What I am fighting for is an entire form of government based on the rule of law and the ability of the people to hold their government accountable to the rule of law. If we don’t have that we don’t have America, even if we do get to choose which politicians screw us and ignore the laws next.
We have only to watch how Eric Holder has pissed on accountability as he thumbs his nose at subpoena after subpoena while the whole country looks on in horror, unable to do anything about it. This is not a side issue. This is the crux of this entire country. The rule of law. If we don’t have it, none of the superficial trimmings of our system make any difference.
At least twice (once before the election and once afterwards) George Soros, David Axelrod, and Rahm Emanuel got Obama’s lawyer to threaten the media heads with FCC and anti-monopoly annihilation if they reported accurately on the eligibility issue. As a result even the so-called “conservative” media has crapped on any integrity and truth, and as a result no politician has been willing to take up this battle. Including Sarah. They have all - every one of them - watched an honorable man go to prison and lose his life savings because Obama wasn’t willing to produce documentation of his eligibility for his employers.
That’s not a side issue. That’s not piddles. That is a measure of the honesty and integrity of not only the crooks in bureaucratic offices but of even the so-called “conservative” media and so-called “conservative” candidates. They can all talk a good line but every single one of them balked when the rubber hit the road. If they did it then, just because the so-called “conservative” media was threatened into lying to us all and libeling anybody who didn’t buy into the lie, then what WON’T they sell us down the river over whenever Soros rears his ugly head? Their dishonor has been revealed. How do they expect us to trust any of them, now? The fact that they won’t even acknowledge that they have badly, badly violated not just our trust but the US Constitution tells us they’re all just a bunch of smooth-talking, vow-breaking liars.
This country is in deep, deep trouble. No election will be able to fix this mess, and especially if all the choices for candidates deny that there’s even a problem with the lawlessness. I don’t hold out much hope for America; I think we’re in our last days as a nation.
The way I see it is the executive branch has too much unchecked power. Obama answers to no one - not the judiciary (and his criticism during the State of the Union address), not Congress (screw War Powers Act), certainly not the “people”. I just don’t see any way to stop his agenda. We needed Kucinich to try to stop him! Until Congress decides they are an equal branch of government and will put the brakes on him, nothing will stop Obama. Certainly not any laws.
You are correct. The Texan has no idea what he is talking about. Courts and clerks are neutral parties. Prosecution/Plaintiff or Defendant are the parties to the action. Of course they need the clerks signature but that is given. Someone else was correct here when they said the Subpoena is signed by the clerk “in blank”.
These Obots are just parsing words. They have no idea what happens in a court. A judge has never issued a Subpoena in any court-ever. If they issue a directive, it is called A COURT ORDER. When Hi fails to comply with this Subpoena, The issuer will ask the judge for an order to compel. They will also ask for sanctions because the Respondent(Hi) did not comply. The Judge will rule on each. If the Judge agrees they will issue a court order which Hi has no choice but to comply.
Just because someone said it wasn’t served properly doesn’t make it so. That is an issue for the Judge.
The politicians are all scared of the media. The only people who will uphold the rule of law are we the people. That’s you and me. If we go soft in the spine or believe it is hopeless to even try to uphold the rule of law, then the enemies of this country have won because *WE* have surrendered the country to them. The whole media operation is a big psy-ops thing, to discourage the millions of people and make them think that 3 thugs and their puppet-king can overturn an entire nation with a long history of freedom and stamina, a proud people who have everything in the world to lose if they give up without a fight.
The only thing that stands in our way is an unwillingness to stick our necks out and say that the rule of law indeed matters. If we who know what is at stake would all decide to tell our Congress-critters and state Attorneys General that they can expect no campaign volunteer time, no money, no positive comments to our neighbors, and no votes from us unless and until they stand up for the rule of law on this issue, this would be over in no time.
If we don’t do that, then it is WE who are killing this country. We can’t pass the buck onto our Congress-critters and blame them for being just as yellow-livered as we ourselves are. We only have room to say anything about them if we have already done what we are asking them to do. And because we have nothing tangible to lose except maybe our public popularity or feeling that we’re “not extreme”, it is all the more pathetic if we do nothing, when it costs us so little. How dare we point fingers at the people who stand to lose their positions of power if they cross the media, if we aren’t even willing to defy our own fragile self-image?
Regardless of Donald Trump’s motives or results, he did show us one thing: a person who is willing to stick their neck out and say that the emperor is naked will not be despised by the normal people even with the media ridiculing them all the way. We’re afraid to stick our necks out because we think everybody else thinks a “birther” is crazy. They don’t. The media, polls, etc are psy-ops to get us to think that, but Trump’s burst to the top when he had the courage to just speak common sense out loud on the eligibility issue shows the psy-ops media operation to be a lie.
Most people know there is a big problem, and the only opinion of genuine people that stands in the way is the question of whether we should just give up on the rule of law because it’s hopeless. I understand that thought because I struggle with it almost every minute of every day. But if we all decided that the battle is worth fighting regardless of whether we can win, the only people standing against the rule of law would be the 10% of people who will stand by crooks no matter what.
IOW, our biggest enemy is our own discouragement. If we decide that regaining the rule of law is the labor and delivery that has to come if the child is ever to be born, we will “man up” and face the challenge before us just like a woman in childbirth. There is no highway option. The child will either be born, or mother and child will die. It’s too late for any other outcome; if we pray that this cup passes from us and refuse to do the hard work of delivering the child it will kill both mother and child. And if we can make it past wishing the whole thing would just go away, we can make short work of this.
I think you give the “media” too much credit. With the advent of the internet and sites devoted to getting the truth out to people, the MSM is indeed the dinosaur media. Same with newspapers. Just look at their revenue. As for telling our congressmen/women we are not happy with them, they (most) don’t care. I am encouraged with some of the freshmen legislators but they will tell you it is very difficult to get anything done in Washington.
I believe a big part of the problem is dumbed-down Americans, thanks to the public schools controlled by dem unions. Until we can get kids out from under their influence (colleges, too), Americans will be raised to not know history or economics and they will not care.
Your statements and assumptions indicate to me that you haven’t read or don’t understand the FRCP on subpoenas.
Being a practicing attorney does not make Orly an officer of Judge Lamberth’s court. There’s more to it than that. She has to be an officer of that court in order to issue a subpoena from the court.
If our legislators don’t care that we’re not happy with them, then elections make no difference. Elections are supposed to be a deterrent to corruption. That’s the whole foundational principle behind this country. Mutually-assured destruction is a deterrent for sane people; it doesn’t work with ideological fanatics (like Ahmadinejad, who WANTS to usher in Armageddon) and it doesn’t work with people who view themselves as untouchable.
IOW, when our legislators don’t care that we’re not happy with them, we have entered Ahmadinejad-type territory where nothing sane will make any difference.
Not every people can handle a democratic form of government. And the founders tried to counter that fact by instituting a Constitution, so that a mere majority cannot easily undo the wisdom discovered through ages of learning. That way, even if a majority of voters were lazy, stupid, uninformed, suicidal, or downright evil, the country could still survive.
The vulnerability that the Founders didn’t adequately address was the judicial and law enforcement systems, because a lot of power is concentrated in a few people who referee the whole process, and if those people are corrupt Constitution-haters, or ignorant, or willing and able to be bribed by the enemies of America, the nation is in big trouble, because there is no process for the alert and patriotic public to rise up against the referees. The people who have power over the judiciary and to hold bureaucrats accountable to the rule of law are the Congress-critters who are supposed to represent us.
Just one Congress-critter could file a lawsuit against Obama’s eligibility and would have standing. Just one. Any one of them who was willing to actually represent the interests of the people could turn this thing around. Out of 435 people supposedly serving our interests in Washington DC, not one will actually do that on this issue. The people who need to be educated are those 435 people.
As long as it’s just a general malaise that they sense, they can ignore it. They will act only when they realize that if we do not get justice on this one issue they will be regarded as a domestic enemy combatant by the very people they want to volunteer, donate, speak well of, and vote for them.
We spoke loudly in a general sense in the last election. Because it was in a general sense they have pretty much ignored us on specifics. The lame-duck Congress was a scorched-earth campaign, with R’s doing everything they could to give away everything including the family jewels.
They don’t listen to generalities. We have to use specifics and pin them down on specifics.
And this particular issue is the most central, critical one of all - the jugular. Gunwalker, Black Panther, Libya-gate, Obamacare, Government Motors, net neutrality, the firing of Walpin and other inspectors general, etc ad nauseum are all just little symptoms of the big lawlessness that was considered too “fringe” and “embarrassing” for respectable people to address. We’ve been totally ineffective at trying to get rid of these individual little branches of lawlessness; it only reveals the futility of the effort. The only way we’re going to even make a dent in any of these lawless branches is if we suck it up and start attacking the root that brought forth these individual branches.
This particular issue also doesn’t require a majority vote. The freshmen can lament how hard it is to get anything done in Washington DC, but ANY ONE of them could file a lawsuit and make a big chop at the roots of all this crap. One person could change the course of history, if they only had the courage to do so. Any of these freshmen. Any of these people who lament the majority that is holding them back need to learn that the only thing stopping them from truly making a difference and leading we the people to bring back the rule of law.... is their own cowardice.
We need to tell them that. They need to know it. They wanted to represent us; now we’re watching to see if they will do just that. So far not one of them will.
What evidence is there that the Birth Index includes foreign births?
Clearly you haven’t examined Orly’s subpoena. It wasn’t signed by the clerk of the court “in blank.”
The FRCP dictate that an attorney can issue a subpoena if he/she is an officer of the court. To be an officer of Judge Lamberth’s court, his local rules dictate that the attorney must be a member of the bar of that court or join of record another attorney who is a member of the bar of that court. http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/dcd/local-rules
As for your statement that no judge has ever issued a subpoena in any court ever ... well, that tells anyone with half a brain what you know about issuing subpoenas. Good lord, genius. Try using google or bing before you spew such nonsense. It’ll take you 5 seconds to find copies of subpoenas issued by ... judges.
There is no evidence specifically regarding foreign births, but there is proof that names from legally non-valid BC’s are included on the list (the names from sealed, legally non-valid original BC’s of children later adopted and given a new legally-valid BC with a different name, to replace the original which then became legally non-valid).
If legally non-valid BC are listed, ANYTHING could be included in the list.
Furthermore, if Charlotte Asing was correct when she signed the affidavit in the divorce file saying that her son is “Norman Asing, Jr”, then not only do we know that legally non-valid BC’s are listed but also that at least one name listed in the 1960-64 birth index has been ALTERED so that it is not the same as what was actually on that BC. They took off the “Jr” from that name in the birth index, which seems to me would require a manual change in either the printout or the record itself. Serious stuff.
Whether those names are there because the list was manually changed to include just those names, or whether the parameter of the query allowed legally non-valid records to be printed - we have proof that legally non-valid AND altered records are included in that list, and that means ANY RECORD in that list could be legally non-valid and/or altered.
The 1960-64 birth index list means nothing.
And by “altered records” I don’t mean lawfully altered. I mean we have proof that somebody at the HDOH manually altered one of the names on that list so that what is printed is NOT what is actually on the BC supposedly indexed in the list. If Charlotte Asing truthfully stated her son’s name in her divorce affidavit, we have proof that somebody at the HDOH unlawfully changed that name in the birth index.
So you don’t know the difference between a Court Order and a Subpoena. If a Judge issues a Subpoena they would have to be a party to the action. How can a neutral judge also be a party to the case??? You are smoking something that is helping your brain cells one bit.
I have been in the court/subpoena business for over 30 years. I have probably served over 50,000 subpoena(s) in Federal, State & Mun. courts. I have been involved in numerous Motions to Quash. I have never seen a subpoena issued by a judge. Where would the judge put their name. The judge is neither a Plaintiff or a Defendant. There is no place on a subpoena form for a judge. The only mention of a judge, in every single case, is the Judge’s name and courtroom location for the person or subpoena items to be delivered. If I have a half a brain, as you say, then I am a genius in comparison. Post a link to any standard form for a judge to issue a subpoena. It is impossible.
Is the Birth Index an index of births or is it an index of birth certificates?
You're welcome. Just bits and pieces I've picked up over the years. Most people really don't know just how EVIL the Democrat party and it's Leaders have been.
A few more tidbits that I find interesting. Susan B. Anthony was an Abolitionist. What a lot of people aren't aware of is that after slavery was outlawed, her and other Abolitionists turned their focus on outlawing abortion. They successfully pushed for laws banning the practice in all the existing states at that time. I recall reading that even the New York Times came out in support of their agenda to outlaw the practice. Their opposition to abortion was a perfect fit with their opposition to the inhumanity of slavery.
On the Democrat side of the Aisle, Margret Sanger was the founder of Planned Parenthood. She founded the organization because she wanted to control the population of "undesirables." She was a supporter of Eugenics. What a lot of people don't know is that she was a lover of Roger Baldwin. (Founder of the ACLU.) So we have an Abortion promoting Skank having sex (and exhibiting herself naked in public) with the communist promoting Roger Baldwin who founded the organization that has been intentionally sabotaging our laws and court system ever since.
I know about Sanger and Baldwin. Pure evil.
Exactly my point. Given Hawaii's weird birth certificate laws, and the fact that pretty much the entire government is made up of Democrats, I have little doubt that they bend every rule of which they are aware, and interpret all the others in a light most favorable to this man they regard as their native son.
I am pretty sure I read a statute in Hawaii that said they would give a copy of the original birth certificate to any Election official which asked for it for the purpose of providing credentials of eligibility for any election.
I would like to see what Hawaii will do if given an official request from a State's election officials. That what Obama has submitted is a cobbled together piece of junk is pretty apparent. The question is, was it cobbled together by Hawaii (At the direction of a Judge I suspect.) or was it cobbled together by Obam's people?
Anyway, I don't have a lot of faith in the truthfulness of Hawaiian bureaucrats. Or their documents.
Yup. Right on the money. A lot of people are unaware of the Fact that the Women's suffrage movement overlapped with the prohibition movement. The Anti Saloon League was very heavily involved in the Women's suffrage movement, as the constituency was basically the same group of people. It did have deleterious consequences beyond it's initial intent. It is the 19th amendment which the courts interpreted as doing away with the "American Father" requirement for citizenship.
You are absolutely right about the Direct Election of Senators. That has seriously damaged the intended function of our original Republican form of Government, transforming it more into a Democracy. It has long been my argument that other than the 27th Amendment (Written over two hundred years ago by some of our founders) There hasn't been an intelligently thought out, or written Amendment since the early 1800s. The intent of the 14th was noble, but they chose such POOR language that it has been the source of much mischief by the courts ever since. (and it was passed through extortion rather than the consent of the governed.)
I think the point I would like to make is that our founders were exceptionally brilliant about balancing the various competing forces to produce a Stable functional government, and most subsequent attempts to modify what they produced has only served to make it worse.
It is time to find a candidate who can beat him.
I disagree that it's a waste of time. If enough information can be uncovered to get him and all his friends sent to federal prison, I will regard that as a worthwhile accomplishment, apart from whoever gets elected President this next go around. To reiterate, our world doesn't revolve around who is the next President. Again, figuring out a way to throw a bunch of criminal scum into prison is a VERY worthwhile goal. (among many.)
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that all the information in this Nomination Paper is true, that as to these and all other qualifications, I am qualified to hold the office that I seek, having fulfilled the United States constitutional requirements for holding said office. I further swear (or affirm) that I have fulfilled Arizona’s statutory requirement for placing my name on its Presidential Preference Election ballot.
So tell us again how he proved he is eligible? Posting a phony BC to back up that statement is certainly a crime.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.