Posted on 04/27/2011 8:26:51 AM PDT by patriotgal1787
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So, Donald Trump is the new Ross Perot.
What we saw this morning is The Donald being played by the White House as the spoiler -- or the third candidate who will hand the election back to Obama in '12.
Look, first of all, it has never been about the birth certificate. Let me repeat that for those of you who are just catching up: It's NEVER been about the birth certificate. Even though the media and Trump have stayed focused on that, it's nothing more than a sideshow. A diversion from the real issue.
It is about the constitution, and the fact that under the Constitution, Obama is not a natural born citizen. He cannot be, because his father was Kenyan and a British subject.
So now that Obama has shown us "the birth certificate" we can go back to doing the work of the American people? Where have I heard that before?
This is a hoax, folks. A cruel hoax, and there's not a soul in Washington DC who will uphold their sworn duty to protect and defend the Constitution. Members of Congress were briefed about the matter in early 2009 when the Congressional Research Service issued a 14-page memo about Obama's eligibility question. What the memo told them was that the vetting process was the responsibility of the states and the electors. So what did Congress do?
Congress breathed a collective sigh of relief and went back to their knitting, conveniently ignoring the oath they took to protect and defend the Constitution.
Trump has a HUGE ego. We can all agree on that. Obama knows it too. Just as he played to the egos of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in pushing through his healthcare legislation, assuring them he would be there to help them shepherd it through (translation: ram it down our throats), he went into hiding, letting them do all the dirty, sweaty, heavy pushing. And it cost them their party and their majority in the House. But Queen Nancy was strutting through the streets cloaked in ermine on the day it was signed.
It's Obama's modus operandi. Seize and capitalize on the weakness of the opposition. Use their egos, play them by appealing to their ego.
Well, Obama got a two-fer today. By producing a birth certificate (legitimate or otherwise), he now can say "let's put it behind us" and move forward to "more important issues".
Obama has also legitimized Trump, making The Donald seem larger than life, powerful enough to force him to "show his birth certificate".
See, the only way Obama knows he can win reelection in '12 is if a third candidate splits the vote. And that's exactly what Trump will do, to the Republicans' detriment. Obama knows it, so he's giving Trump the credibility he needs to propel him forward.
(We're going to get into this issue with Elizabeth Letchworth, our Capitol Hill Insider, on tonight's radio program.)
Check back here during the day as I update this post with further observations. Meanwhile, Devvy Kidd weighs in with hers of this morning's circus act:
If it's real. Born in a hospital that won't confirm the birth. How convenient it pops up now with nothing new on it about his parentage and no doctor listed. This alleged BC was signed off by some flunky on Monday in Hawaii. They must have flown it to the White House in a jet to be released this morning in Washington, DC. It shows his father as Obama, Sr., and provides the proof that he was born with dual citizenship since his father was a Kenyan national under British citizenship at the time of Obama/Soetoro's birth.http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf
Recall back in January, former Hawaii elections clerk, Tim Adams, signed a sworn affidavit that there was no long form BC: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=254401
"Former Hawaii elections clerk Tim Adams has now signed an affidavit swearing he was told by hissupervisors in Hawaii that no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate existed for Barack Obama Jr. in Hawaii and that neither Queens Medical Center nor Kapi'olani Medical Center in Honolulu had any record of Obama having been born in their medical facilities."
Here is another BC of a woman who had twins the day after Obama/Soeotro; same hospital: http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347
Note the certification at the bottom of hers has the doctor's name - missing from this newly minted one.
Also, the "new" one just released by the White House is the same green paper as the old short form. Mrs. Nordyke's is black background. Guess what? Mine is white with black ink which I obtained 40 years ago for travel purposes.
Jerome Corsi's book comes out in two weeks....we shall see. I'm betting on his impeccable research. For those who might not remember, he wrote the book that "swift boated" John Kerry and destroyed his chances for the White House.
Next will be the forensic folks looking at this suddenly released BC that will make The Donald - what? Oh, so happy because he can move on to more important issues? What a game.
Obama - Maybe a Citizen of the United States but Not a "natural born Citizen" of the United States
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/03/obama-maybe-citizen-of-united-states.html
The Natural Born Citizen Clause of Our U.S. Constitution Requires that Both of the Child’s Parents Be U.S. Citizens At the Time of Birth http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/09/natural-born-citizen-clause-requires.html
(page 246)
And the constitution itself contains a direct recognition of the subsisting common law principle, in the section which defines the qualification of the President. “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President,” &c. The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not.
(pg 250)
6. Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen.
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/Lynch_v_Clarke_1844_ocr.pdf
The major precedent is against you. Although Vice President and President had an Irish father (a well known fact at the time) nobody was curious enough to ask him if the father was a citizen at the time of Arthur’s birth. Why not? You have two choices: either people in 1880 were idiots compared to current Americans (yeah, right) or they didn’t think this issue had any bearing on Arthur’s eligibility.
The major precedent is against you. Although Vice President and President had an Irish father (a well known fact at the time) nobody was curious enough to ask him if the father was a citizen at the time of Arthur’s birth. Why not? You have two choices: either people in 1880 were idiots compared to current Americans (yeah, right) or they didn’t think this issue had any bearing on Arthur’s eligibility.
I meant Vice President and President Arthur....but you can gather that from the rest of the post.
The acronym COLB stands for "Certificate of Live Birth."
Look at the top of the released document:
What does it say?
If The Donald does not make a big stink about this, it means he's a stalking-horse for Hussein, meant to inoculate him from further birth certificate inquiries.
What is it you’re looking for?
Odd that Obamas alleged long form bc does not look like any of the others born in Hawaii at that time. It also appears cropped. It looks like the one they have been passing off as the real thing the last few days. It also has some written numbers on certain boxes.
I see you’re still having comprehension problems.
"“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Commander in Chief of the American Army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”
The Convention agreed and without debate the provision suggested by Jay was written into the Constitution.
That Jay’s advice was taken is not surprising because in his career Jay was President of the Continental Congress, Chief Justice of the New York Supreme Court, 1st Chief Justice of the United States, Ambassador to Spain and France, Secretary of Foreign Affairs (Secretary of State) and Governor of New York, among other things. He wasn’t a man whose advice could be ignored. Note that what particularly concerned Jay was not a political issue but a military issue arising because the President is Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States. He was bothered by issues of National Security."
So you’re saying the COLB released today is a long-form birth certificate?
It is identical to the Nordyke birth certificates. Those are the one’s that his BC was suppose to look like.
Obama's a citizen because he was born in Hawaii. It doesn't matter where his parents were born.
If and when this gets to SCOTUS, dozens of opinions showing just the opposite of yours will be presented. I am not going to waste my time to see if your wordy document is even relevant.
Your argument that parents citizenship is irrelevant is ridiculous.
my questions are, if as we have heard for the 4 previous yrs on this issue, Obama had already provided this document and it was a settled matter, why didn’t he still have the document? Meaning, why did he have to go ask for it again? And, if it takes weeks and weeks and weeks and man hours such as Jeffrey Toobin and Anderson Cooper and panel said, does that mean it was requested back in late March? Certainly someone who has travelled as extensively, been educated in the most prestigious halls and been in such position of power (State Senator) prior. Certainly such a person would have had to provide this document at some time in the past.
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Like Rahm Emanuel said, “You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”
I would venture to say this crisis is Obama’s birth issue. With everyone focusing on his birth issue, the true problems are put on the back burner, and all the real issues are dealt with using “Under the table negotiations”
Now his birth certificate maybe bogus. But it comes at a time when other problems need to be addressed. Let’s wait until the 2012 election and then declare him ineligible to run. Hold his feet to the fire on the real issues now!
Is there any document release that could end this debate?
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