POLL: Which GOP candidate do you think has the best chance to beat Obama in 2012?

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[MaxCUA]

Lou Dobbs Poll:

Which possible Republican Presidential candidate do you think has the best chance to beat Pres. Obama in 2012?

[GlockThe Vote]

At this point I have to say a Trump/Bachmann or Trump/Palin
or Trump/Christie ticket would probably be the best bet to beat Osama.

[GlockThe Vote]

LOL

[Logic n' Reason]

Heh. If she's not going to run, why are there so many trolls on FR and all the conservative sites, quoting from people like Frum, Rove, and Krauthammer, that "she has no chance" ...?

I certainly can't answer the question you pose. However, I never wrote nor mentioned that she "has no chance". If I may remind you, I typed "she will not run; and if she does, she will not win the nomination."
Now a test for you; do you see "she has no chance" in that statement anywhere??

Obviously, they are afraid of a principled, honest conservative who will clean house of all the sycophants, RINOs, hangers-on, accomodationists, leeches, tapeworms, and other pararsites.
Would you care to define the particular demographics specifically that you include in your definition of "they"....that is....without calling them names?

And that the difference will be so obvious, that it will be like Reagan-Carter all over again.
That will have to be seen. Personally, I am certain the comparison will never be made.

The future will tell you if your hope and dreams become reality....or not.

And all the hope in the world won't make a wish a reality. Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Now a test for you; do you see "she has no chance" in that statement anywhere??

Nope -- which is why my statement was carefully worded to say "why are there so many trolls on FR and all the conservative sites, quoting from people like Frum, Rove, and Krauthammer"

Your test right back to you -- did you see your screen name mentioned anywhere there?

Would you care to define the particular demographics specifically that you include in your definition of "they"....that is....without calling them names?

The aforementioned trolls who quote from Frum, Rove, Krauthammer, etc.

I'm sure you seen some on this site. Some have even been banned, to much rejoicing.

That will have to be seen. Personally, I am certain the comparison will never be made.

It already has been, this week on Free Republic (see the link and the posts it is responding to.)

I didn't say it was based on hope.

Just as Obama was the "anti-Bush", Palin is a good choice (one of several) for the "anti-Obama".

People vote their wallets, and want more than a master of NLP reading from a teleprompter while the country and their livelihoods get pissed away in search of a Muslim / Marxist / Multicultural / Green wet dream.

Cheers!

[Logic n' Reason]

You've chosen your "side"; and I mine.

The future will tell us which "side" has triumphed, and which has "passed into oblivion".

Time will tell....

[grey_whiskers]

So far as I can tell, my choice is based on policy, and not on a Quisling desire to manage conservatism's decline, as so many want to manage America's decline.

Have you a candidate whom you prefer on the basis of policy positions?

Do you have a list of your top policy priorities?

Cheers!

[Munz]

You know what, you just rambled on and on and on.
I have nothing against palin .. i think that she would make a great president. I believe her heart is in the right place.
i know she draws conservative crowds in all over the place.

But the left hate her and the independents make their decision in the last 2 - 72 hours before voting or less.
they will go with what they heard last. which is going to be msm bashing and hard. It is going to stick with them that she was the target in 2008 as well.

As far as the troll statement, knock it off and get someone to water you .. because with your ability to assimilate information you probably need it. (again, why I do not agree with your three reasons why she woudl win you are clueless when it comes to reading people)

you tear down my statement
“What we need is a REAL conservative who can beat Obama. “

>Sarah IS a real conservative:< blah blah blah blah ...
that statement had NOTHING to do with her. It was about any other candidate - especially ones that were not on the list of the people to vote for in that stupid poll that is being shoved down our throats that we are being expected to pick from.

I stood up and said, none of the above .. BECAUSE I believe in my tagline. You on the other hand, just take what you are given and go merrily on your way thinking it will all be alright. Well it won’t. We will end up with another four years of Obama with your thinking, the whole time you will whine how great Sarah would have been (even though she most likely will not even run!)

then you go to call me dishonorable by making this statement.
>Are you going to stand there with a straight face, and try to hold your head erect among honorable human beings,<

Pal, has she even started a exploratory comity yet? NO, she hasn’t. She .. if you have followed her at all, has said that she prefers to stay out of the presidential race. That she wants to help orchestrate on the back end.
So while you pine away for something that will never happen you insult people who are trying to get rid of Obama with our best chance for a president who can bring us back to a republic.

Now who is the TROLL? That would be YOU.

[drbuzzard]

That tin foil hat becomes you well.

[grey_whiskers]

But the left hate her and the independents make their decision in the last 2 - 72 hours before voting or less. they will go with what they heard last. which is going to be msm bashing and hard. It is going to stick with them that she was the target in 2008 as well.

No it won't. The economy is (by the numbers, apples-to-apples comparison) literally in a state very close to a Depression: don't just look at the U3. Look at the U6 and compare to past downturns.

And all the bashing in the world didn't save either Carter OR Mondale.

We are in a similar situation today: with the economy tanked, gas prices spiking, and foreign policy in a shambles, all under the non-watchful eye of someone who would rather golf than govern--the Presidency is open for the taking.

Why waste it on a RINO who will accomodate the left once more?

As far as the troll statement, knock it off and get someone to water you .. because with your ability to assimilate information you probably need it.

That doesn't make sense.

(again, why I do not agree with your three reasons why she woudl win you are clueless when it comes to reading people)

Said disagreement just means that you're incorrect.

that statement had NOTHING to do with her. It was about any other candidate - especially ones that were not on the list of the people to vote for in that stupid poll that is being shoved down our throats that we are being expected to pick from.

Agreed about many of the other candidates: Barbour, Huckabee, Newt, Romney.

But according to post #51, Palin was *on* that poll...so when you said "that stupid poll that was shoved down our throats that we are expected to pick from" I took it that you meant Palin as well.

So while you pine away for something that will never happen you insult people who are trying to get rid of Obama with our best chance for a president who can bring us back to a republic.

OK, if you don't think Sarah Palin will run, who are your top GOP standard bearers? Why do you choose them over the other choices?

Now who is the TROLL? That would be YOU.

No, I've supported Sarah Palin since the day she was named McCain's VP candidate (see here.)

Cheers!

[Munz]

>We are in a similar situation today: with the economy tanked, gas prices spiking, and foreign policy in a shambles, all under the non-watchful eye of someone who would rather golf than govern—the Presidency is open for the taking.<

The media was never in the tank for anyone like they have been for Obama. Add that to the fact that they have been bashing Palin as long a they have been praising Obama and that makes for some serious sticking in peoples heads. they don;t even know why they don’t like her, but they don’t.
Ask people who don’t like her and you will hear ..
she is a quitter .. well obama never finished his term .. and he did a hell of a lot less than she did while in office. They don’t care, they just say .. I just dont like her. You can not reason with these people. They are fixed and it is a done deal.

>Said disagreement just means that you’re incorrect.<

un huh .. in your mind. but if it goes down t hat she runs, we will see obama for 4 more years in the white house thanks.

>OK, if you don’t think Sarah Palin will run, who are your top GOP standard bearers? Why do you choose them over the other choices?<

No one has emerged yet that is worthy that has said that they will run. If that group ran today (minus Palin) we end up with a RINO.
yet that is what the MSM is locking us into. Don’t you see that?

What must be understood is that there is a game afoot that Obama, the press and the gop are going to play. Each has a different approach depending on who emerges as the pick.

So we need to ensure that we pick someone who is conservative and can win. This is where our efforts should be focused right now.

Not on Palin, who is almost decidedly not running. Then attacking people as “trolls” because your some big Palin fan.
And I don’t see how supporting her since day one doesn’t make you a troll. Since she has not been in the running yet.
Your just pushing a dream and giving false hope that she will run. Meanwhile, the GOP the MSM and even Obama are picking out the real candidate instead of us.

Time to face reality, we need to find someone who is willing to run, that wants to run, that we can get behind, get excited about, who is not a RINO.

There are other people out there who are just as patriotic as Palin. Who have just as much integrity.

What we will not find is someone who has been a governor .. even for half a term. But then again, we won’t have to overcome 4 years of MSM manipulation either.

No one has emerged yet, but we need to send the signal that these people are not acceptable. Tossing Palin into the mix when she shows no signs of running only serves to justify their poll as being full of legitimate candidates for us.

Mone of them are acceptable. Either because of their RINO tendencies or they don’t want to run.

So lets show them that, I have seen names tossed out frequently here of people that are interested from Herman Cain To Michelle Bachmann. Lets see who emerges, then pick one. But lets let go of fantasy.

And stop the infighting.

[Munz]

>The leftstream MSM would blow him up into a war criminal, and a radical right-wing extremist of the First Order. Let’s not even start on what black journalists would say about him.

Any Republican who challenges The One for the presidency is going to be flamed by the liberal media and the Democrats, but they reserve special treatment for blacks who stray from the reservation.<

I understood your point about Thomas. But I think that in many instances in many MSM outlets they would have to bite their tongue. One of the biggest race baiter’s is Chrissy “I got a tingle” Matthews. now he may play the war monger thing, but he will never play the race card against West.

They didn’t play it with Juan Williams too much. But put ANY white guy in there and it is gonna get played to the hilt by the far left when that candidate attacks Obama’s policy. (whatever his policy is at the moment that is)

I honestly think it would be a stumbling block for over half the liberals. That is their main argument now and has been since they lost the “bush’s fault” card. It has been the race card. They can’t defend what he is doing, so they race bait.

[grey_whiskers]

Sorry, but you're completely off base here.

I don't trust the polls, based on historical precedent.

Reagan was down by 9 points to Carter in October before his first landslide.

And people aren't fixed: you are either gullible or a troll. If you read the Palin threads about her appearances, those who have seen her at her appearances, even those initially skeptical, are blown away by her positions and skill. They come away convinced, and by word of mouth undermine the MSM talking points.

It's exactly how she ran in Alaska -- it works.

No one has emerged yet that is worthy that has said that they will run. If that group ran today (minus Palin) we end up with a RINO. yet that is what the MSM is locking us into. Don’t you see that?

IF that is true, then why trash Sarah when she is the only one of the names put forward so far who is not a RINO? Why not help her to the starting gate?

Not on Palin, who is almost decidedly not running. Then attacking people as “trolls” because your some big Palin fan.

Why not? It's even more valid that attacking people as Palinistas or Cultists or bots, as is regularly done towards Palin supporters even here on FR.

And I don’t see how supporting her since day one doesn’t make you a troll. Since she has not been in the running yet.

Click on my FR about page, and start reading the threads I've posted. Almost every thread I've started (except Limerick of the Day) is there; on a wide variety of subjects, from mammalial adaptation, to offshoring, to spoofs of Obama, treatments of the founding fathers and their thoughts on delegation to governmental agencies...

I've never been a one-trick pony.

But I don't remember seeing you AT ALL until you started trashing Palin.

So lets show them that, I have seen names tossed out frequently here of people that are interested from Herman Cain To Michelle Bachmann. Lets see who emerges, then pick one. But lets let go of fantasy.

Yeah. You're a lying troll.

Just let the cat out of the bag. "Nmaes of others who are interested."

...but they are just that. Merely interested, and haven't declared.

But they get a free pass for it, and she doesn't.

And since when has a sitting Congressman, without other experience, ever defeated a sitting President?

OR a businessman, with NO government experience?

And stop the infighting.

Yeah, tell that to the various PDS trollers here, first.

You know, like pissant (now banned!) and company.

[djf]

Yup.

Trump.

Trump would kick Zeros keister all the way back to Kenya.

[Windflier]

I understood your point about Thomas. But I think that in many instances in many MSM outlets they would have to bite their tongue. One of the biggest race baiter’s is Chrissy “I got a tingle” Matthews. now he may play the war monger thing, but he will never play the race card against West.

Don't bet that the MSM would go easy on West, or any other "uppity" black politician. They ONLY support black Democrats. Black Republicans are a special kind of animal that they reserve their worst vitriol for, ala Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice.

They didn’t play it with Juan Williams too much.

Let Juan Williams run for office as a Tea Partying Republican who opposes Obama and see what happens. He'd be flayed alive by the press.

[Logic n' Reason]

Yeah, tell that to the various PDS trollers here, first. What exactly is "PDS"?? (or would that be "who are"???)

And I love the pic!!

[grey_whiskers]

What exactly is "PDS"?? (or would that be "who are"???)

Well, since you phrased your response in the form of a question, I'll take "Palin Derangement Syndrome for $1200, Alex.

The canonical example is the now-banned pissant.

Others eligible for membership might be wtc911, rdb3, Polybius, indylindy...

And I love the pic!!

Thanks, I'd been saving it for a special occasion.

I hope it gets used regularly in flamewars or troll-baiting...

Cheers!

[rdb3]

Others eligible for membership might be wtc911, rdb3, Polybius, indylindy...

Excuse me? I like Palin a lot.

If you can't appreciate the pure beauty of the violin after hearing this, something's wrong with your ears.

[grey_whiskers]

My apologies, then -- I must have your screen name confused with someone else.

[rdb3]

No problem.

[Munz]

At least they can’t play the race card with them and that is about ALL they have now