Posted on 12/24/2010 7:39:05 AM PST by JDPendry
Whenever special interest driven politicians force social engineering on Americans and their Armed Forces, there are always consequences.
The premise is that all homosexuals want to be known primarily by their sexual identity. If this is true why did a college kid commit suicide when his homosexuality, obviously against his desire, was made public? I am asking because the popular meme is that every homosexual is eager to share his or her private sexual identity with the remainder of the world and treat it as his or her primary attribute. That may not be so, but it will be the consequence of this particular endeavor into social engineering.
If you accept that premise then your indoctrination is complete. The only people you cannot tolerate are the Christian fanatics who still believe in something with a foundation infinitely more solid than moral relativism.
Has anyone given even a modicum of thought about the feelings of homosexuals who are serving and are doing so because they want to be identified as Soldiers first before they are identified as being homosexuals? How many of them will end up like the college kid from Rutgers because people like Congressman Barney Frank insists that we accept a person because of their sexual orientation before we accept them as anything else?
Might I ask you? Do you want your spouse to post on Facebook or stand on your front lawn and lay out the details of your private sex life to everyone who passes by whether they care a whit to know about it or not and regardless of your feelings on the matter?
Is sexual orientation now going to be our most important identifying characteristic - for Soldiers or anyone? Superseding even race, ethnicity and gender - another hyphen preceding our already hyphenated identities? If it is, then the fallacy that repealing the law is actually about service is clearly exposed. Is it not?
I read the discussion forums frequented by Army Noncommissioned Officers. There is no overwhelming number either for or against open homosexual service. Most of them are firm in what they believe. That is what I expect of Army NCOs. Stand up for what you believe. But support what you believe with what you know, not what you think you know or how you feel. Do some critical thinking about this issue that takes you below the red herrings of service and rampant homophobia.
I read in those forums that homosexuals have always served and we all know who they are. Do you know any? Can you name them? What difference does it make now if you point them out to the rest of us who are not perceptive enough to identify homosexuals on sight?
In all of my time in the Army, including 4 years as a Unit First Sergeant and 6 years as a Command Sergeant Major, I saw many more trained and qualified Soldiers separated for being overweight than for being homosexual. Not all of them wanted to leave the service either. Why were they separated? It was certainly not because of their performance. Many of them worked much harder than the pencil-necked headquarters policy wonks just to prove that they were worth keeping. They were separated because they did not fit into someone’s idea of what a Soldier should look like. Their sin was having more than the allowable amount of body fat. Often only a little more. There are dogonned few jobs in the Army that require thin bodies.
I am not too concerned about the troops themselves, only their safety. They will fulfill their obligations and do what is asked of them. American Soldiers are renowned for their ability to adapt to their situation, but how many of them will remain at the end of their obligation?
I am more concerned about the leadership. I know a tad about military leaders. They want the led to view them as Soldiers and leaders first and not as something else. They do not want the deadly possibility that Soldiers might lose even a little bit of trust in them because they may be distracted by the leader’s homosexuality. When there are any chinks in the armor of trust that an Army leader wears, he or she becomes less effective and subsequently a more deadly leader. It is just a matter of fact.
The other thing we are told is that thousands now serving in the military will no longer have to live a lie. You would think by the talk and discussions that our military forces are overwhelmingly homosexual. Pardon me if I am just a bit skeptical of that presumption.
The remainder of the military, comprising many more thousands and including the leadership who do not accept homosexuality as normal behavior, will now most certainly have to choose to live a lie about who they are by pretending that they do accept it. That is more dangerous to any military unit than outright and overt opposition. Or they can be true to what they believe and hold dear, as has been pounded into the heads of American Soldiers for generations, salute and quietly leave for a place where they are not forced to accept as moral something they firmly believe is immoral.
If I heard it once, I heard it a hundred of times. The Army recruits Soldiers, it retains families. This is unquestionably true. More than half of our Soldiers, at least the last time I looked, are married. The number of married Soldiers has steadily increased since we became an all-volunteer force in the 70’s. This reflects a career, professional, and volunteer force. That is one reason we are for now the world’s best. How many of those career families that provide the most professional leadership of any military force in the history of the world will now exit at the first opportunity?
The Commander in Chief, his Congress, the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff have established their legacies. Let us see how history records them. Maybe we will be the next dusty volume in the historical collection of the rise and fall of great nations. Maybe that is the consequence, intended or not.
I hate that arguement that homsexuals have always served.. So what.... I am sure, Pedophiles, murders, rapists, arsonist, adulterers, fornicaters, thieves all have served admirably...
Gives new meaning to the saying “I like the cut of your jib, sailor.”
And even some (gasp) politicians!
I see all manner of unintended consequences, but I’m still confused as to exactly what this repeal will do for the homosexual service member(s). Other than not having to hide their oprientation, how will things be for them practically? The military will not tolerate unappropriate behavior by hetero or homo.
I also suspect the homo’s, after the initial jubilance, will keep a low profile, as was the case when I served in the late 60’s.
So the left is all giddy over revoking DADT, a leftist Clinton policy in the first place.
Timothy McVeigh served. Didn’t Oswald serve? And the Texas Tower shooter?
Open homosexuality is an anathema to that - its narcissism pure & simple.
Lee Harvey Oswald, for example. And John Murtha, to name another despicable Marine.
sure did... It is so easy to discredit homosexual lifestyle since people in it are disease ridden and also very predatory especially you teenage boys( Just look at Europe with more and more countries lowering the age of consent).. But we just don’t make a comelling case on our side it seems.
sure did... It is so easy to discredit homosexual lifestyle since people in it are disease ridden and also very predatory especially you teenage boys( Just look at Europe with more and more countries lowering the age of consent).. But we just don’t make a comelling case on our side it seems.
Right...we targeted gays about that time for rolling for their money. Andrews AFB was famous for having a contingent of gays ripe for the roll. There’s gonna be guys die over this. You leak it your gay and you make the “list”.
My premise is that I want to be known by what they'll put on my tombstone. Many people have "loving father", "beloved mother", etc. etched on their tombstones because that was how a majority of people viewed them in life. I really can't believe homos want this etched into eternity:
Among the rules of communism;
1. Destroy/subvert the church
2. Destroy the family unit, replace it with the state.
3. Take away all loyalties other than to the state. (No family life. Most gay’s don’t stay loyal, there’s no reason, like children.)
Obama fulfilled a promise to one of those polarized identity group. They will vote for him forever. Obama does want members of identity groups to see themselves primarily as a member of an identity group and not as an American, or an American soldier.
Gays who go into the service thinking it’s a sexual smorgasbord will end up leaving one way or another. Especially, the homosexuals who want themselves identified by their service to America will not have anything to do with the flamers.
Are you a recovering homosexual as well? I never acted on the urges I found myself having in the barracks, and I am sure as hell glad I didn’t because there would have been serious consequences. There’s no place for that in the Marines.
These are sick people that need help. But it can be cured; I’m living proof.
Are you a recovering homosexual as well?
Uh, no.
I’m curious what kind of full time leather enthusiast you are.
I think the statement pretty much speaks for itself. Not sure how much more clarification I can provide.
Uh, speaks for itself?
or
If it’s the first kind, I think FR is the wrong site for you.
What business is it of yours?
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