Another new twist in birth certificate story: Hawaii "paper copy was destroyed in a fire"

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

PING!

LOL! Wow! So what happen to all the witnesses that said they actually viewed the birth certificate?

I don’t know about Hawaii, but PA keeps the certificates on some kind of microfilm/microfiche or whatever. When you ask for your birth certificate, a copy is made from that stored document. I would imagine that the original certificate over time would disintegrate or there would be the possibility of loss or damage; that’s why the certificates are electronically stored.

0bama could have easily and inexpensively settled the first case questioning his eligibility (Berg ?). Twenty bucks or so would have done it. Maybe one of his loyal trolls here on FR can provide us with a valid reason why he fights every attempt to get to the bottom of the BC thingie.

Here's the referenced Sky News article.

Yeah right. The dog ate my homework too.

I’d rather have a foreigner run our country than a mental case.

This question is even more important than certifigate — did Obama pick his nose and when did he do it?

[Drill here. Drill now.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2460243/posts?page=45
ETL and Impy both investigated this serious charge:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2460243/posts?page=101#101
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oQmLzdTl_U

“Geniuses don’t pick their nose.” — Meet the Fockers

“Does he repeatedly flip people off on live TV?”
According to general knowledge — yes. Twice to Hillary during debate, and at least once to us caught on film:
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e174/KyraAyn/EvilThings/BothObamas/ArroganceInYourFace.jpg

[OK, but certifigate does raise important questions, coming next ....]

Paging Orly Taitz, Esq!!!!

That's what I've been saying. When I needed my birth certificate, all I had to do was fill out a simple form and send it with a check for $10 and a self-addressed, stamped envelope to the state. I received my certificate in less than 2 weeks (maybe 10 days or so). The quickness with which I received my copy kinda surprised me. I had applied around Christmas and figured with all the holidays and state employees taking vacation, I might get the certificate in about a month or more.

Anyway, at least here in PA, it's easy and cheap to get your birth certificate. That Obama would have this cadre of lawyers fighting the production of his birth certificate tooth and nail over something that could be so easily resolved makes the whole question of his origin suspect. What does he have to gain by perpetuating this controversy? Except maybe to feed his narcissism — keep that aura of mystery about him or something. Stupid. No, it has to be more than that.

Joseph Farah: “I say, if it’s been settled show us the birth certificate. Simple.”
[Regardless of the man, what about the words? Does anyone honestly think those words are unreasonable?]

Poll — 58% of Republicans question Obama’s Constitutional Qualification
http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/0709/58_of_GOP_not_suredont_beleive_Obama_born_in_US.html
[I agree that a KOS poll isn’t the most accurate, but it’s the only one I know of reg. republican %.]

Maelstorm: “There is no need for Glenn Beck, Breitbart, or anyone to defend a President who refuses to release his education records, his medical records, and yes he still hasn’t released a long form birth certificate.”

CaptainK: “All jobs require detailed information about your past. Why should the most important job in the nation get a pass?”

Some people say that other issues are ‘bigger fish to fry’, such as nationalizing entire industries.

Uncle Chip: “Do you see a connection between overlooking this little “technicality” [certifigate] and his takeover of private industry??? Unlawful does as unlawful is.” [Bingo. That’s why conservatives end up uniting if they think hard enough.]

Obama Trusters should be proud to be on the side of el McCain. McCain tries to belittle Hayworth for standing for the truth. I’m glad that I see eye-to-eye with Hayworth on this matter [as with every other matter I know of]. Are we to throw Hayworth under the bus? And protect McCain? Mock truth, and there’s no telling who you might hurt.

Unity will never be brought through allowing the left to divide us, and RINOs are delighted to throw conservatives under the bus. McCain is typical of that — cussing out conservatives like a sailor and at the same time, he bows and scrapes like a toady at the leftist court. Creeps like him thrive from internal discord.

Regarding the overall strategy of conservative muckraking in general, I posted something here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2457300/posts?page=3#3

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I’m a birther? Yeah, I’m pro-motherhood. I’d be embarrassed trying to call people ‘birthers’, the perfect word for anyone who thinks birth is obscene and abortion is cool. That said, I’d rather be a birther than a sucker [who gives cover to brain suckers, partial birth abortion].

Some people tell us to focus on other issues. I would rather they said ‘prioritize’. Focus means ‘telescopic site’, which is lousy when you have a lot of moving targets.

Next post coming ... the nitty-gritty.

Obama, the Mystery Man.

He’s too secretive. He might be other peoples’ president, but I don’t think of him as mine until he proves he’s constitutionally qualified.

Tigerseye has a list of just how secretive the left’s president is:

0bamas’ hidden records: Why are these off limits?
1 Certified copy of original birth certificate
2 Columbia University transcripts
3 Columbia thesis paper
4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5 Harvard University transcripts
6 Illinois State Senate records
7 Illinois State Senate schedule
8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother
10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11 Occidental College Transcripts
12 Parent’s marriage Certificate
13 Record of baptism
14 Selective Service registration records
(Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service? This supposed revelation of 0’s SS records has been debunked. Check with tigerseye who showed me this list.)
15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16 Passport records for all passports
17 Scholarly articles
18 SAT and LSAT test scores
19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya
20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
21 Punahou grade school records
22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.
23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham’s divorce decree.
24 Why did Barack Obama resign from the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?
25 Why did Michelle Obama resign from the Illinois bar after only about four years of practice and where are all of the relevant documents?

[Compare this with someone’s background check to visit the White House or to work in a missile plant.]

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Zero has chosen a very interesting law firm to represent him in certifigate:
Perkins Coie
http://yesbuthowever.com/perkins-coie-massachusetts-8136453
“The firm has successfully navigated close elections for Minnesota Senator Al Franken [recounted until it was ‘right’], Washington Governor Christine Gregoire and helped bend [break] election laws in New Jersey to benefit Senator Frank Lautenberg in 2002.”

“New Coach” Comparison:

Such a question to remain festering is inexcusable in a leader. A team sees some guy walking into the locker room claiming to be their new coach. Next to the ‘coach’ is a mobster and a thug [Ayers and Rezco].
How much should they trust this ‘coach’? Is it their fault if they wonder?

The coach says, “I was sent here by the other team.” [Annenberg vetting Obama]. Such ‘leadership’.

The [Terrorist loving] Hippies Who “Certified” Obama
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2454752/posts?page=36#36
http://www.theobamafile.com/_eligibility/AnnenbergFactCheckers.htm

Obama was vetted by Annenberg. But they have a history of being cronies and sugerdaddies for Obama AND unrepentent terrorist, Bill Ayers. Obama and the terrorist had Annenberg offices near each other. Annenberg is the best the DNC could come up with to vet their candidate or Commander in Chief. Bill Ayers was a sworn enemy of US soldiers.

[And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. There is a huge army of intellectuals who signed a petition on behalf of the unrepentent terrorist. Bill Ayers, the bomb terrorist who recently said he “didn’t do enough”, and exhaustively reported to be the ghost writer and friend of Obama.]

Yeah, so don’t vet a DNC candidate unless you are his sugardaddy and crony with terrorists.

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The coach hires a lawyer to hide his past from the team.

*** Note that not all of Zero’s law tab to Perkins Coie is related to certifigate. ***

Obama law tab up to $1.4 million
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=106138

“He used DOJ attorneys! These attorneys are paid by the U.S. taxpayer! And...He distracted these DOJ attorneys from the important work of keeping Americans safe!” — wintertime

Not that the actual amount matters. McCain showed his birth certificate and that ended the controversy. Perhaps a lawyer would want someone to stay in the bunker, but this is our nation’s leader and our military’s leader. He must EARN our trust and respect. Only a dictator can demand subservience.

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Some reasonable critics of ‘birthers’ try to alienate our most extreme elements. That is a good thing. We must thin the herd. So long as the critics are respectful toward reasonable certifigate hawks, I will attempt to be the same. But then there are the snarky “dignity imps” who are more worried about their image than the truth. They impishly pile on like sidekicks of a bully. They fear being on the losing side. They calculate. And they will never get along with hardworking conservative muckrakers.
Not knowing it, the sarcastic “Dignity Imps” are like a coward in the foxhole who stabs his buddy in the back and surrenders. Either that, or he’s a hideous combination of mental laziness and self righteous judgmentality.

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To understand why conservative leaders act so strangely about BO’s Certifigate scandal, you need to first understand history.

No Jail Time for Sandy Bergler
http://musing-minds.com/2005/09/08/no-jail-time-for-sandy-bergler

The American Spectator : Code Word Bergler
http://spectator.org/archives/2004/07/26/code-word-bergler

Politics of the past — President Bush [God love him] was giving the democrat party life support. Truth was “too dangerous to touch”. What is the thanks Bush gets? A vice president Biden who wants to hold war trials for the previous administration. Don’t play with rattlesnakes — end their ability to harm you. Defang them, even if it means their political destruction.

Did you ever hear the great uproar by the GOP over Clinton pardoning a crack dealer for cash?

Another Pardon, Another Controversy
http://speakout.com/activism/news/5653-1.html
Hugh Rodham [Hillary’s brother] received a contingency fee in connection with a pardon ... a scheme to distribute 800 pounds of crack cocaine [snip]

Imagine if Bush had pardoned a crack dealer for cash. How quiet would the DNC and the Drive-bys have been about it? The RNC is so issues-focused, they are obsessed about giving the DNC cover. It’s apparently been that way ever since Joe MacArthy. Conservative leaders have always held their punches. They rationalize away their fear. Back in William F. Buckley’s day, that was necessary. It’s a different world now with copy-paste, Control + A — web-communication and twitter.

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A deeper look at certifigate:

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate.html
http://www.jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2454803/posts?page=82#82

WND’s archive of news reports on Certifigate
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98546

Recent Link Blasts on Certifigate by SatinDoll:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2447475/posts?page=268#268

Root Link for Feb 2010:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2447475/posts?page=299#299

I thought the tsunami got it the other day? You mean it survived, only to be burned up in a fire?

.....Bob

Yeah, that's it, that's the ticket, it was er, ah, destroyed, yeah, destroyed in a, er, fire, yeah a fire, in, aaah, um, Hawaii, yeah, that's right, it was in a, um, fire in Hawaii. See?

Did the Obama campaign try to foist a forgery on us?

See http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/red-flags-in-hawaii-2/

“The Hawaii DOH has now TWICE indirectly confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery - once by admitting Obama’s BC is amended and not noted on the COLB, and once by admitting that the cert numbers are given in their office, which shows that the Factcheck certificate number and filing date are incompatible with each other and the Nordyke BC’s.”

— butterdezillion

BIOCHEMKY:

I’ll tell you what. I think the idea that the Obama campaign would have used Obama’s sister’s as a template makes sense. That is of course conjecture.

However, here’s what I know about it otherwise. I have read the following:

(a) What was placed in photocopy form on the Obama campaign’s website is a CERTIFICATION OF LIVE BIRTH (COLB) which is an item that is provided not at the time of one’s birth, but at any other point afterward

(b) What is prepared at birth by the medical personnel and the administrators of the hospital facility is called a VAULT copy of one’s BIRTH CERTIFICATE (BC). This item is kept by the hospital in their records department. An abbreviated version of the valult copy of the BC is what is actually given to the baby’s parents. The vault copy of the BC stays at the hospital.

(c) The photocoy of the fraudulent COLB on the Obama campaign’s website has the following physical problems:

(1) it has no raised seal impressed (not foiled, just raised) on it visible on the back as it should

(2) it has an emblem on the front that is supposed to be the seal of the state of Hawaii, but this emblem differs quite a bit from the authentic seal of Hawaii

(3) it has a nonauthentic border around the bottom and right hand side when looking at the back of it

(4) it does not cite the attending physician nor carry that individual’s signature

(5) i believe I also read that somehow a person was able to read the registration number on it or at least find out the number of digits in the registration number on it (that is blacked out with heavily black marker), however the information derived is not in agreement with the number sequences that were being given out from the hospital claimed in Aug. of 1961 or there was a different number of digits than should be present.

Personally, I don’t know why someone just doesn’t get ahold of the airline records that will confirm that Stanley Ann Dunham traveled to kenya at about 8 months along and was too far along to be allowed on the plane when she attempted to return to the U.S. to give birth and, thus, she did not return from Kenya until after Obama’s claimed date of birth.

Prove where Stanley Ann Dunham was on Aug. 4, 1961 and by default you also prove where Obama was born.

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I put the forged birth certificate in the criminal column; he defrauded the American people to help him ascend to the highest office in the land, a position for which he is ineligible.

He began by suspending the protections of our constitution (not being a natural born citizen) and he has been chipping away at the bill of rights and each ammendment a little at a time each and evey day.

I wouldn’t “shelve” the issue, I would simply refer to it as often as possible as what it is: a fabricated certification of live birth (COLB) and leave it at that.

Whether that COLB form is a forgery is actually a mute point. This is because: Obama’s father was a British citizen at the time of Obama’s birth and, thus, he has no way of claiming that he is a natural born citizen (born of two U.S. citizen parents within the geographic U.S.).

At the time of his birth the only citizenship Obama had received was that from his father, British. This is because although Obama’s mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth, she had not lived in the U.S. for 5 years after her 14th birthday. This was required at the time in order for a citizen to pass on their citizenship when a child was born outside the country. Obama’s mother was only 18 (not 19) at the time Obama was born.

This last part I stated better in the argument laid out below (with links noted):

Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. on August 4, 1961 at the Coast Provincial General Hospital in the town of Mombasa in the Coast Province of the British colony of Kenya (http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2009/090909/FrntPgObamaEligibility.html). At the time of Obama’s birth, his father, Barack Hussein Obama, was a British citizen (Kenya did not gain its independence from Britain until 1963) and his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a United States citizen. According to Federal law, however, as the sole U.S. citizen parent Obama’s mother was not old enough and did not reside in the United States long enough after age 14 to qualify Obama as a United States citizen. The particulars are as follows.

According to Title 3, Chap. 1 of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act, Public Law No. 82-414, 66 Stat. 163) that was passed on June 27, 1952 and applies to persons of birth between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/8693236/1952-Immigration-and-Nationality-Act-Title3-Chapter1?secret_password=&autodown=pdf), a child born outside of the United States to one citizen parent could acquire United States citizenship if the United States citizen parent had been physically present in the United States for ten (10) years prior to the child’s birth and five (5) of those years were after the parent had reached the age of fourteen.

Obama’s mother was born November 29, 1942 and, thus, she was only 18 years old when Obama was born in Kenya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Ann_Dunham). As such, Obama’s mother did not meet the age-dependent residency requirements for her child to receive United States citizenship from her. Therefore, Obama is not a United States citizen. Furthermore, he is most certainly not a natural born U.S. citizen which is required of him to be as specified in Article II, section 1 clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution in order to hold the office of President or Vice President of the United States (http://www.house.gov/house/Constitution/Constitution.html).

BIOCHEMKY

“I don’t know about Hawaii, but PA keeps the certificates on some kind of microfilm/microfiche or whatever.’

IIRC, I saw a copy, online, of an Hawaiian statute that says that all birth certificates are to be on microfilm and in a vault.

It would be easy to test.
Anyone born there in that time frame could order a copy of their REAL birth certificate.

The United Kingdom’s Sky News: ‘Authorities in Hawaii have provided an electronic record of Obama’s birth because the paper copy was destroyed in a fire which wiped out much of the state’s archives.’”

bttt

What? You mean aliens didn’t steal it? That was the excuse I was expecting.

The fire story - like the dog-at-my-homework story - is so...passe!