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J Storrs Hall of Foresight Explains the Medieval Warm Period and Global Warming
Next Big Future ^ | Dec 9, 2009 | Brian Wang

Posted on 12/10/2009 5:41:40 PM PST by decimon

There was a Medieval Warm Period (900-1100 AD), in central Greenland at any rate. But we knew that — that’s when the Vikings were naming it Greenland, after all.

(Excerpt) Read more at nextbigfuture.com ...


TOPICS: History; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; godsgravesglyphs; history; science
The links look to be a debunking feast for the patient.
1 posted on 12/10/2009 5:41:41 PM PST by decimon
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Storrs of knowledge ping.


2 posted on 12/10/2009 5:43:03 PM PST by decimon
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To: decimon

“Central Greenland” wouldn’t have been terribly habitable even then. In any case....


3 posted on 12/10/2009 5:46:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: decimon
The name Greenland was a ruse so when they saw a map with Iceland they thought it was much colder then Greenland.
4 posted on 12/10/2009 5:51:28 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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5 posted on 12/10/2009 5:51:40 PM PST by steelyourfaith (Time to prosecute Al Gore now that fellow scam artist Bernie Madoff is in stir.)
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To: decimon

There were commercial vinyards north of London in 1000 AD. Try that now.


6 posted on 12/10/2009 5:51:42 PM PST by ProudFossil
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To: ProudFossil
‘zackly. And some of the lanes and roads are named for those vineyards. Greenland's history began in 986 when Eric the Red arrived. It last till about 1400 when the weather changed and a population couldn't be sustained.
7 posted on 12/10/2009 6:19:57 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

To anyone who argued we had to fight global warming, I try to remind them that Greenland was named when it WAS green - and there were all those animals left to be slaughtered hundreds of years later when Columbus finally discovered America.
Then there’s the fact that it was WAY warmer when the dinosaurs were running around, up to 10 degrees warmer (no ice in Antarctica), so we have a long way to go before we’re back to normal.


8 posted on 12/10/2009 6:35:09 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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Small but deadly comets identified
by Damian Carrington
Thursday, September 16, 1999
Dr Matt Genge, from London's Natural History Museum... identifies comets between just 50 to 100 metres wide as the most terrifyingly destructive, with massive heat and shock waves burning people and crushing buildings... A 60-metre-wide comet exploded over Siberia in 1908 with 600 times the energy of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima. It laid waste to a 40-km-wide patch of forest, but, fortunately, the area was unpopulated. However, comets of this size are expected to strike the Earth every 100 to 300 years. If the 1908 comet had arrived just eight hours earlier, it would have struck London, killing everything as Dr Genge described... Ironically, it is because the 50 to 100-metre-wide comets are so weak that they are so dangerous. They break up into fragments which explode just a few kilometres above the ground - "the optimum altitude for maximum devastation", said Dr Genge.
There's a view that the dark ages were literally dark (didn't check these old links):
Ancient myths, tree rings point to giant comet's visit to Earth

Ancient Myths And Tree Rings Point To Giant Comet's Visit To Earth

Tree rings challenge history
by BBC News Online's Jonathan Amos
Mike Baillie, professor of palaeoecology at Queen's University in Belfast, UK, said it was very clear from the narrowness of growth rings in bog oaks and archaeological timbers that a great catastrophe struck the Earth in AD 540. He said mythical stories certainly seemed to point to a comet striking the Earth at about the right time. He said King Arthur died in this period and some stories talk about long arms in the sky delivering mighty blows. Professor Baillie said chemical analysis would be carried out on the tree rings to investigate the comet idea further. He hopes also to get access to ice cores to see if they record any interesting data that might support the comet theory.
Tree Rings Hint At Dark Ages Mystery
Something catastrophic occurred on Earth 1,500 years ago that may have led to the Dark Ages and coincided with the end of the Roman Empire and the death of King Arthur, Professor Mike Baillie of Queen’s University in Belfast reported Friday. The global environmental event that occurred around A.D. 540 is not recorded in any history books. But the tree ring chronologies compiled from samples of trees, some preserved in bogs, which date back thousands of years, single out something that was quite extraordinary. Baillie believes the slowdown of tree growth recorded in the rings around A.D. 540 was due to a bombardment of cometary debris that happened around the time of King Arthur’s death, the end of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the Dark Ages.
The 536 AD Dust-Veil Event
by William R. Corliss
"There are two possibilities: a huge volcanic eruption or a collision between the Earth and a solid object: an asteroid or comet. Ice-cores drilled from Greenland show no evidence of large-scale volcanic activity at that time, so Professor Baillie and others now believe a cosmic impact is more likely. The result would have been to throw up a huge veil of dust and debris, cooling the Earth and producing widespread crop failures."
This was put forward in 1994. David Keys' book which attributes it to a volcanic eruption (Keys is a journalist, not a scientist) is just a couple of years old. For more links, click the link after "in reply to" (beginning of this message) to see an earlier post on this topic.

[my comment from 2000] I still haven't read it, but have bought it. I've heard plenty about it and have been interested in it for some time. During a search for "dark ages" and "asteroid" I found a page by some real crank that discusses it, and attributes to Keys the idea that an eruption of Krakatoa was responsible. Previously I'd heard only about an NE Eurasian impact as the source of these literally "dark ages".
Catastrophe: A Quest for the Origins of the Modern World Catastrophe:
A Quest for the Origins
of the Modern World

by David Keys
It was a catastrophe without precedent in recorded history: for months on end, starting in A.D. 535, a strange, dusky haze robbed much of the earth of normal sunlight. Keys's narrative circles the globe as he identifies the eerie fallout from the months of darkness: unprecedented drought in Central America, a strange yellow dust drifting like snow over eastern Asia, prolonged famine, and the hideous pandemic of the bubonic plague. With a superb command of ancient literatures and historical records, Keys makes hitherto unrecognized connections between the "wasteland" that overspread the British countryside and the fall of the great pyramid-building Teotihuacan civilization in Mexico, between a little-known "Jewish empire" in Eastern Europe and the rise of the Japanese nation-state, between storms in France and pestilence in Ireland.

In this fascinating, groundbreaking, totally accessible book, archaeological journalist David Keys dramatically reconstructs the global chain of revolutions that began in the catastrophe of A.D. 535, then offers a definitive explanation of how and why this cataclysm occurred on that momentous day centuries ago.
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9 posted on 12/10/2009 6:59:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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Thanks decimon.
 
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10 posted on 12/10/2009 7:00:33 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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The Little Ice Age: How Climate Made History 1300-1850 The Little Ice Age:
How Climate Made History 1300-1850

by Brian M. Fagan

Paperback

11 posted on 12/10/2009 7:03:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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12 posted on 12/10/2009 7:04:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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The name Greenland was a ruse so when they saw a map with Iceland they thought it was much colder then Greenland.

The really clever part of the ruse was how the Vikings grew grain in Greenland. That really tricked the map readers!

13 posted on 12/10/2009 7:09:10 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

And grapes, grain, cattle, etc. Must’ve been a bitch to keep the snow drifts under control, eh ?


14 posted on 12/10/2009 7:45:52 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Impeachment !)
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To: guitarplayer1953
The name Greenland was a ruse so when they saw a map with Iceland they thought it was much colder then Greenland.

I remember that being the belief. Subsequent discoveries have changed the picture.

15 posted on 12/11/2009 4:16:04 AM PST by decimon
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16 posted on 12/11/2009 5:59:38 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: ProudFossil
There were commercial vineyards north of London in 1000 AD. Try that now.

A hundred years ago there were orange groves as far north as St. Augustine in Florida - now Orlando's as far north as they'll grow commercially.

17 posted on 12/11/2009 7:21:11 AM PST by GOPJ (...Journalists are BaghdadBobLites .... Global Warming Scientists are ElmerGantry)
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To: cripplecreek
I think the reference to Central Greenland is to the location where they drilled the ice core. I agree, it wouldn't have been habitable by a pastoral people. The Viking settlements were on the coast.
18 posted on 12/11/2009 11:46:48 AM PST by colorado tanker (What's it all about, Barrrrry? Is it just for the power, you live?)
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To: decimon

That was the picture over 30 some years ago when I was last in school.


19 posted on 12/11/2009 1:59:04 PM PST by guitarplayer1953 (Romak 7.62X54MM, AK47 7.62X39MM, LARGO 9X23MM, HAPINESS IS A WARM GUN BANG BANG YEA YEA)
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