Posted on 01/14/2009 10:26:13 AM PST by sportsone234
[...] The reason why you should care should be self-evident. It has been said that when American catches a cold the rest of the world should watch out for pneumonia. The world wide financial recession is a case in point. If it is discovered that Mr. Obama was never eligible to run and hold the office of POTUS we, our country and the interconnected world, will be thrown in a state of disorder and turmoil. That is because any law, any treaty, any action taken under the Obama administration would be illegal.
[...] If Pravda RU is calling Obama a fraud before his inauguration, how long before enemies of this country figure out this can be used as a reason not to cooperate with the U.S. or sign a treaty, or do anything that moves negotiations forward on any front because an illegally elected/ineligible Obama actions would be null and void . . . unenforceable . . . worthless. How long before Iran, or Hamas, or Russia, for that matter, figures this out and refuses to deal with the U.S.because of the Pretend President?
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Our Pravda press (a.k.a MSM) has not even touched this issue.
Russians do not like catching pneumonia probably more so than the rest of the world, they will give no respect to an usurped presidency.
If Pravda RU is calling Obama a fraud before his inauguration
***Well, zer0bama is making history, after all. So far he’s been the most corrupt President Elect in history.
priceless
The article said — “If Pravda RU is calling Obama a fraud before his inauguration...”
Ummm..., I don’t think I would take Pravda’s word on the matter, considering in the past, they didn’t think our system of government was valid, either... LOL...
Things are getting pretty bad for the conspiracy-minded when they turn to Pravda for “good news” (in terms of the “conspiracy” that is)... :-)
The Russians would already know whether or not Obama is a natural citizen. The KGB has the information, and Putin has it too.
You said — “priceless”
LOL..., yeah, we could make a “Cheech and Chong” clip out of it, too... :-)
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Hi, this is Obama...
Sorry, Obama isn’t here...
No, I’m Obama and I’m here to sign the treaty...
Ummm..., did you bring your birth certificate?
Obambi got carded.
Russian intelligence and their recordkeeping is nothing to mock.
You said — “The Russians would already know whether or not Obama is a natural citizen. The KGB has the information, and Putin has it too.”
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Yep, and so does President George Bush, as I was saying in another thread...
You were saying Bush knows you are 100% right about that. If he isnt worried then it means only one of two things: he is either completely satisfied, or he is so completely p!ssed off at the way hes been treated that he doesnt care.
You know..., there was something that came to mind that I thought I would put in here. In regards to information and evidence. Its a lot easier to get information so that you know the truth of a matter, than it is to get evidence that one can prove with documents in courts. One particular reason (for example) is that the government has access to a lot of information that it cannot disclose, because of how it was obtained and who is involved in getting it and how it exposes their methodology and even ability (of getting the information). But, once the information is known, then the government can decide to go the legal route and prosecute an individual through legal channels.
Now, with this thinking in mind, I believe its easy for a lot of people to get the information about Obamas qualifications by many different surreptitious means, but in doing so (in that manner), they cant use it in a court of law or as documents (because its not provable as it would be illegally obtained).
The government has access to it all (most of it, anyway...) and can access any database or record, anywhere and especially the President, himself (through his office, and *especially so* on the grounds of possible terrorist threat, if nothing else).
Now, the fact that Obamas passport info was accessed (and you know that there are backups upon backups... :-) ... ) there would be no doubt that the Secretary of State and the President (to whom she reports) and other officials concerned with the security of that info, plus the many who had to do the reports for other officials, all had access to this info, in the course of doing their investigation. None of them has made an issue of Obama being illegally qualified under the Constitutional requirements. If he were, they would all be *duty bound* to have an investigation started and have him prosecuted and removed as a candidate, right away. They didnt, Secretary of State Rice didnt, the President of the United States didnt and I dont think that everyone is engaging in a massive coverup on behalf of Obama, in the Republican Administration of George Bush.
Now..., having said all that, it would be easy for Bush to instruct the Attorney General at the Justice Department to launch a secret investigation (i.e., going the legal route) by means of a secret indictment, against Obama, for lying about his qualifications to be President under the requirements of the United States Constitution, and to arrest Obama (as a candidate) when that investigation is completed and the indictment is made known. That can *easily* be done, if there is a problem with Obamas qualifications under the Constitution.
That would be the duty of the President of the United States, as it would be a threat to the United States, if he were to allow this fraud to go on. I have no doubt that President Bush would do his duty.
Now, while many here have disagreed with President Bush on many different policy matters (and so have I), it doesnt mean that President Bush is conspiring to coverup an illegal attempt by Obama to become President when the Constitutional requirement for office is not adhered to.
This is why I see that several of the posters who are *absolutely sure* (without any legal, court evidence, mind you...) that Obama is not qualified are really making this out to be a conspiracy of epic proportions (by the thinking in their own heads), involving the entire Republican Administration, all the Republican Senators and Representatives, and all the conservative media and *most* of the conservatives, themselves in order to cover for Obama. Such a conspiracy of such grand proportions is simply ... well... you get the idea...
So, looking at it all in a common sense and everyday manner, it just doesnt work for it to be this kind of grand conspiracy...
Bush may be unhappy with the way hes been portrayed by much of the media and even by his own people that voted for him, but I dont believe that this is going to create a Benedict Arnold out of President George Bush. It would seem that several here on Free Republic apparently do think so, that President Bush is indeed Benedict Arnold of this century and is covering up for Obama...
In that frame of mind and thinking, they are like Berg, who in addition to filing on the case about Obamas qualifications also has another case about 9/11 and how Bush was complicit in that attack. Its no wonder Berg is taking on this item, as Berg already thinks that Bush is covering up for his involvement in the 9/11 attack, so why wouldnt Berg think that Bush is covering up for Obama,
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It would seem that one must think that President George Bush is conspiring with Obama, in order to help him cover up this qualifications issue from the way some Free Republic posters think...
Meanwhile the Chinese have their way with us in more ways than one.
And through it all the question remains; Why won’t 0bama release his BC?
You said — “Lets not forget the tabloids. Seems the MSM has been controlled by other forces outside the U.S. It is a sad day for America.”
Well, there is no doubt about it, that the MSM is controlled by liberal thinking. There have been books written on it documenting that and also surveys that show that. Fortunately we do have other outlets for news.
In this issue with Obama’s qualifications, the courts will still have to deal with solid issues that are brought up in the cases before them. It appears to me that we really don’t have a vetting system which legally requires a particular piece of documentation to prove the qualifications of a candidate per the Constitution. The Constitutional requirements are right, proper and valid — but the vetting system is not structured in legal terms that *absolutely requires* a particular piece of documentation — and that’s a failure of the system. That’s what needs to be corrected.
But, even so, and having said that — I still go back to the fact that President George Bush obviously knows the details as to whether Obama is qualified or not and he could have easily brought forth a Justice Department investigation on it and a prosecution, if the matter was not being taken care of. He didn’t — so that leads me to believe that President George Bush has determined that there isn’t a problem with Obama’s qualifications per the Constitution.
Still..., we can get those state laws into place which will make this not happen again.
Don't tattle/squeal on past or future Presidents. It's because they're all evil SOBs.
Mr. Obama:
I have some questions since you presume to know what is better for me and want to run my life, fascist.
Hey, why dont you tell me a little bit about how you where born in Kenya and why your mother allowed your identity to be erased by an adoption?
You and your mother were and are international mysteries. What was your mothers fixation with lovers from other countries anyway?
What is your real name?
When did you change your name from Barry Sotero to Barrack Obama?
How did you obtain a Birth Certificate describing you as Barrack Obama? Your name and identity were and are still altered upon your adoption. You cannot and could not change your birth certificate, EVER. Your BC establishes legal parentage. Upon reaching the age of emancipation your BC, of adoption, remains intact and should read Barry Sotero.
He excuse my cynicism but I too was adopted at the age of 7 and have looked into changing my last name back to my birth name, so I have more than a little familiarity with your story.
You cannot use fraudulent documents to move through life. You cannot claim to be a foreign national, for the purpose of obtaining a college loan, if you are in fact an american.
Are you now and have you ever been a foreign national. We know you were, at the minimum, an Indonesian National in your past. When did you become an American? What was that process?
To change your legal name and to become a naturalized american you would have an incredible paper trail. What were the forms you had complete? Where are they? May we view them?
How much did it cost to change your name to Barrack Obama? Did you employ a law firm to help you with this? Who are they?
Did you change your name by filling out the forms your self? How many records did you need to update so that your new legal identity would be consistent in each of the states you lived in, in the USA, in Kenya, In Britain and Indonesia.
When you traveled to Pakistan what passport did you use? American, Indonesian, Kenyan or British? What was the name on the passport.
Mr Obama, you are creating a huge problem for America and her people with your suppressed identity. You must have learned that no one can know you for who you really are when your original identity was suppressed upon your adoption.
You have taken to suppressing any tangible proof of who you are, your education, your travels and most of all your eligibility to take the oath of President of the United States of America.
Your parentage, grandparents and other relationships are figments of a clever imagination.
How long can a fraud be allowed to continue?
Angel at the Fence The fake but accurate story of Herman and Roma Rosenblat went on for fifty years.
Or Doctors and lawyers who have practiced for years and never went to law school.
Dont tell me words dont matter. Your words, you poseur, thespian.
Dont tell me your identity should be taken at your word.
You said — “And through it all the question remains; Why wont 0bama release his BC?”
Ummm..., the easiest answer to that one is because he’s not required to... (no matter what a lot of posters are *demanding* that he do).
If you don’t have the requirements for *specific documentation* written explicitly into law, then it turns out it’s up to the judgement of the various Secretaries of State as to whether the requirements are met. That’s what is happening.
I really don’t know why people are not “getting it”...
And that’s why we need the state laws making the documentation *very explicit* — and that will solve the problem.
You were saying — “It’s not conspiring, it’s that Code of Presidential Ethics (or whatever) Don’t tattle/squeal on past or future Presidents. It’s because they’re all evil SOBs.”
Well, I don’t happen to think President George Bush is one of those evil SOBs, even if I don’t agree with several of his policies. In this instance, I do think it would be a “slam-dunk” for him to proceed with a Justice Department investigation and prosecution of such a candidate who would violate the provisions of the Constitutional requirements for President of the United States. President George Bush would know and he would act on it.
The fact that he hasn’t acted on it, says that he knows there is not a case there.
BUT, for all those who seem to *absolutely know* that Obama is not qualified (per the Constitution), even without any proven, legal documentation showing it — this only means that he’s part of a conspiracy, or (like you said) protecting other presidents, or doesn’t care, or is mad at how he’s being treated, or is part of the New World Order to destabilize the U.S. — and on and on it goes...
It gets kinda ridiculous. I know it’s going to be going on as long as the Kennedy Assassination stories have been going on.
Given the problems Obama has encountered with some of his choices for Cabinet positions, as well as others, one is left with the distinct impression that this is guy that really doesn't know what he's doing, and he's in way over his head.
Given, too, that he's an unabashed leftist ideologue (look at his voting record - never mind the “present” votes), as well as a man of questionable loyalties (”if worse comes to worst, I'll stand with my Muslim brothers” [that is not the exact quote, but close enough for government purposes]), we find ourselves with a man about to ascend to the throne, in all it's power and glory, that we know just about nothing about. What we do know, however, does not exactly instill the populace with confidence.
This is all scary stuff. Very scary stuff. Even as we embark on a serious economic decline, accompanied by a deflation the government has no inkling of how to prevent (not that perhaps it should, but that's another story for another time), this is a guy who wants to saddle us with seemingly perpetual debt that extends as far as the eye can see.
He's already stated one of his chief aims as President is to bankrupt an entire industry.
His election has so fueled America's confidence in it's future that said election has prompted a record buying spree of firearms by the populace, and all indications are that spree was overwhelmingly influenced by that selfsame election.
The economy is tanking even as we speak, more and more people are getting thrown out of work by the day, foreclosures and bankruptcies threaten to grow like Topsy, and Seniors have seen their long-planned retirements disappearing before their very eyes.
People out there are scared, Star, not just for themselves, but for their country and the future.
It's not even January 21st yet, and already everything is pointing to the very real possibility that things are starting to unravel at a pace no one finds comfortable.
Conspiracy? You think we're concerned about conspiracies? We're losing jobs left and right, some won't have houses soon, we worry to death about our families and their well-being, and we all know that prospects look grim.
You think we give a shit about Pravda and what's in it?
Think again, pal. Think again.
CA....
It’s a lame answer so the question remains.
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