Posted on 11/01/2008 9:02:09 AM PDT by davidosborne
See post 40 for links to VA Board of Election info.
Chiyome Fukino said “I as Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Senator Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawaii.”
See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2120537/posts, comment 15 — I agree with Jim Noble who eloquently said:
“This is all so absurd.
The Constitution clearly anticipates the possibility that the Electoral College might elect someone not eligible to the office: “ If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President...”
The final arbiter is the special joint session of Congress wherein the electoral votes are counted and appeals heard.
This is the ultimate nonjusticeable political question. If the People of the United States, acting by the chusing of electors, elect Barack Obama, and if their representatives in Congress assembled ratify that choice, then it’s a done deal.
No court has a voice in that process, and none should.”
Are YOU for real? What ARE you talking about?
The fact that Hawaii Dept of Health has an original birth certificate for Obama means that Obama was born in Hawaii - which proves that Obama, et al were telling the truth in saying he was born in Hawaii.
(Those relying on the 1982 law permitting Hawaii BCs for out of state births don’t get that that law was passed 21 years after Obama’s birth.)
How do you know that they didn’t release a certified copy to him? If you mean why didn’t they release the original - because that’s a government record. They won’t release THAT to anybody. But they will make a certified copy upon request.
Interesting.
An anti constitutional newbie.
I guess you slept through that missionary led English spelling class there in Kenya?
No court has a voice in that process, and none should.
At least you got that right. THE WORDING OF THE CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR ON ITS FACE AND NO COURT "INTERPRETATION" WOULD OR SHOULD BE REQUIRED -- UNLESS, OF COURSE, ENGLISH IS NOT ONE'S FIRST LANGUAGE.
A newbie - relying on and quoting from the words of a 10-year Free Republic veteran - you gonna call HIM an anticonstitutional newbie?
go ahead - you too can insult a 10 year Freeper veteran who consistently posts thoughtful pieces (which is why I read him - and quote him as a newbie).
No I’m calling you a libtard troll.
Even if he was born outside the USA, liberal judges won’t let this issue be dealt with prior to the election. This would make Joe Biden the president after 0bama is forced to step down.
Their overriding priority is to get a democRat in the WH, regardless of which one. If they made a move on this before the election, McCain wins.
Just my take on a thoroughly corrupt democRat political landscape; I could be wrong, of course.
No. Look carefully at the way the statement was worded. They did not confirm that he was born in Hawaii, only that they had seen the birth certiciate.
Even if he was born in Hawaii, there is very strong evidence that he later gave up his US citizenship when he enrolled in the muslim madrassa as Barry Soetoro. Subsequently, he traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. Travel by US Citizens to Pakistan was prohibited at that time.
One might also ask: "Why did he travel to Pakistan? To attend a terrorist training camp?"
No insult intended but you seem to have a most cavalier attitude as regards the Constitution. It is PRECISELY that mindset that has brought us to this, possibly soon to be desperate, place.
thank you. found another video “attached” to that one which is about Khalid Al Mansour.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1829814/the_man_behind_obama/
Wow—very damning info. But hey, isn’t it ALL damning???...
As I noted earlier, that is a reporter's headline.
It's an interpretation of the state's declaration that they have Obama's original birth certificate. It's not backed up by any quote in the story.
Apparently you mean the Board produced the document to the court rather than made it available to the public as part of its files.
1. If that actually happened and the document was that persuasive, wonder why O hasn’t produced it to the public in an attempt to try to settle the issue and gain more votes.
2. Was this the proceeding in which O’s attorney purportedly stated to the court that publication of O’s actual BC would cause embarrassment?
No, actually, i have a very conservative mindset about the constitution and the judiciary - and abhor judicial activism, which is why I find people here advocating for such activism rather appalling.
I was able to find it in the first URL. Search for "Wild Bill" in the page. I think that ObamaCrimes.com upgraded their comment system, so that may be why you can't find it there.
On Thursday, Wild Bill reported that during the hearing, "The state presented a copy of the certification of live birth that looks basically like the one posted on the Obama website, but this one had a certificate number, a stamped seal, and an authentication signature stamped. It was presented with an affidavit from a Hawaiian official attesting to authenticity and explaining how it was prepared and what it means etc..."
If it's just like the COLB that has been posted elsewhere, there's still a potential issue. As I said earlier (and is discussed on the posting you linked), the COLB does indeed satisfy the requirement for proof of citizenship. So, it's enough for driver's license, passport, etc.
However, the Presidency has a unique requirement, and it's not clear to me that the COLB satisfies it. I don't know enough about the VA Board of Elections to know if they actually vetted Obama's application to meet that requirement, or if they understand that the COLB may not meet it.
I'd be curious exactly what the affidavit of authenticity said on this matter. Have you seen anything further about it?
This was mentioned on the ObamaCrimes.com comment(s) that you linked in the previous thread, and it's new information to me.
Do you have any further info about the history of this law? I've read so much incomplete and misdirected info, I think I'm going to have to start verifying these claims for myself, rather than taking anyone's word for it.
What did the law say before that? I've followed the revision of certain laws in my state, and know that a change in 1982 may have only clarified a previous law, or even moved it from one part of the code to another. So, you'll have to excuse me for being skeptical -- don't take it personally.
Another claim (which is anecdotal) is there are certain circumstances where birth records are completely sealed to protect the identify of biological parents, in adoptions. And there are cases where foreign adoptees have a birth certificate issued for them in the state where they were adopted. I'm not claiming that either of these cases apply to Obama, but the situation doesn't seem to be black or white -- there are a lot of shades of gray.
My real problem with this whole thing is how Obama has been caught shading the truth or lying outright about his past associations. And there are entire periods in his early adulthood where he seems to have dropped off the map. I've been through several security clearance investigations, and know those would be huge red flags.
So, while it's very likely that there's absolutely nothing "wrong" here, Obama's behavior is making me nervous -- in comparison to McCain, who has been absolutely forthright about it.
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