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To: Sibre Fan
I learned this from the VA plaintiff's updates on ObamaCrimes.com. It now seems that ObamaCrimes is deleting "open comment" posts from prior days, but you can find it cached here and here. (Hope that works - if not will find somewhere to post a screen shot.)

I was able to find it in the first URL. Search for "Wild Bill" in the page. I think that ObamaCrimes.com upgraded their comment system, so that may be why you can't find it there.

On Thursday, Wild Bill reported that during the hearing, "The state presented a copy of the certification of live birth that looks basically like the one posted on the Obama website, but this one had a certificate number, a stamped seal, and an authentication signature stamped. It was presented with an affidavit from a Hawaiian official attesting to authenticity and explaining how it was prepared and what it means etc..."

If it's just like the COLB that has been posted elsewhere, there's still a potential issue. As I said earlier (and is discussed on the posting you linked), the COLB does indeed satisfy the requirement for proof of citizenship. So, it's enough for driver's license, passport, etc.

However, the Presidency has a unique requirement, and it's not clear to me that the COLB satisfies it. I don't know enough about the VA Board of Elections to know if they actually vetted Obama's application to meet that requirement, or if they understand that the COLB may not meet it.

I'd be curious exactly what the affidavit of authenticity said on this matter. Have you seen anything further about it?

58 posted on 11/01/2008 11:11:20 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: justlurking
If it's just like the COLB that has been posted elsewhere, there's still a potential issue. As I said earlier (and is discussed on the posting you linked), the COLB does indeed satisfy the requirement for proof of citizenship. So, it's enough for driver's license, passport, etc.
However, the Presidency has a unique requirement, and it's not clear to me that the COLB satisfies it. I don't know enough about the VA Board of Elections to know if they actually vetted Obama's application to meet that requirement, or if they understand that the COLB may not meet it.
I'd be curious exactly what the affidavit of authenticity said on this matter. Have you seen anything further about it?


First, I haven't been able to find more info about the Hawaii affidavit of authenticity submitted to the VA Board of Elections, no. But I'll post it.

Second, people keep saying that the COLB isn't sufficient for the requirements of the Presidency, but no one cites any law to support that. Now, before you jump down my throat, give me a moment to explain.

It seems to me that, if nothing else, this whole thing has highlighted a "hole" in our various states' election laws governing the presidential election. I have not looked at all 50 states, but I've looked at a bunch of them, and it seems that most states do not require documentary proof of "eligibility" to get on the ballot. It seems that some states require nothing more than for the DNC or RNC to "announce" their candidate. Some states require the candidate to submit an affidavit, under oath, declaring that they are (or will be) eligible to be President. Virginia is the first and only state I've seen that actually requires documentary evidence to support the claim – and there, they clearly accepted the COLB, with affidavit, as sufficient.

While I'm not one for passing more laws, it seems to me that we should consider asking our state representatives to amend the election law in each state to require documentary evidence to prove a presidential candidate's eligibility in all future elections. If this whole "controversy" has taught us anything, I think it's shown us that our state election laws do not sufficiently address this issue.
82 posted on 11/02/2008 12:29:42 PM PST by Sibre Fan
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