Posted on 07/23/2008 12:40:56 PM PDT by Polarik
Did Hawaii have newspapers back in 1961? I was wondering why this was found in a Penny Saver.
Also, the wide page view is illegible. What's up with that?
Also, the wide page view is illegible. What's up with that?
I think that is a rhetorical question. I think you already know that it would be impossible to do any meaningful analysis of such a badly degraded image.
It's a bit of a stretch to call a Penny Saver a "Newspaper," given that it's raison d'etre is being a classified section alternative.
Regular newspapers usually have birth, death, and marriage announcements. and they would be on microfiche in the public and university libraries. It would we worthwhile checking them.
At that time, in the bad old days before children were regarded as hardened terrorists, children typically travelled on their parents' passports.
Although several FReepers recounted doing exactly that on the Big Thread, there are still knuckleheads who insist that such a thing never happened.
Or did Ann register Obama’s foreign birth at the closest American Consulate to get his own passport?
Why? A baby in arms didn't need a passport. That would be absurd!
Was it possible for baby Obama to travel on Ann’s passport alone without any documentation? Mind you they had to travel through a few countries.
Yes. Common practice in those days.
One of the latest comments there mentioned that the Glen Beck site had a link to the forgery CoLB discussions. Yes, but it’s a bit buried in a list of things from the 22nd.
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/12701/
I do believe it’s customery for the Mayor of a city to send Congrats letter to parents of new borns.
Perhaps it could be discovered that was also the case back in 1961 Hawaii? And perhaps Mayor’s office have a record of this?
State department rules are VERY VERY clear on this point.
But hey, don't trust me! That thing you're sitting in front of right now? It has internet access. Go to the state department's own web site and see for your self.
A "Statement of No Record" and a DS10A signed by an older blood relative suffices.
That's now. Post 9/11. In the age of ID theft. With everyone worried about international child kidnapping and the sex slave trade. With our borders fully secured against saboteurs (OK, I made that last part up!)
It was quite a bit more lax when Barry Toot Barack Hussein Obama got his first passport decades ago...
Ok, thanks.
Now my question is, did Ann play it safe and conscientious by registering baby Obama’s birth at a US Consulate somewhere to guarantee his citizenship or did she tried to pull a fast one by rushing back to Hawaii and registered him as home grown?
I’ve never heard that before and I’ve birthed my share, different towns and different states too.
I also don’t have a copy of any such letter in any of our family history boxes. And trust me, our families saved everything for our memory boxes.
Buried on the 3 page navigation. At least the info is ‘squeaking’ out.
Agreed.
Bump
President Bush made unbelievable blunders, there are pages of them on Google. Dem sites laughed and bashed him all the time. We, supporters, tried to go easy on it.
That is the natural way of politics.
If you will look at my post #200 you will see a good article concerning voters and black candidates;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2050103/posts?page=200#200
At this point, no one seems to know.
I believe/know a very few things:
The CoLB that his campaign released is a forgery.
Someone risked jail time to forge this document.
It takes all of half an hour on the 'net, and about $25-$40 to have a legitimate certified copy of your own BC delivered within a week. (I know this because I just did that very thing last month)
Therefore, I conclude that there must be some compelling reason to falsify his BC.
The compelling reason that comes to mind is that the real document would kick him out of the running for being the most powerful man on earth.
From this I conclude that his true documentation shows one or more of the following truths:
• He was not born in the United States, and is therefore constitutionally unqualified for the job. This is a show stopper. There is no way to "fix" this or inoculate himself against this, or win over voters on this issue. It is the premier campaign killer issue.
Therefore, I regard this as the most probable explanation for the deceit.
All the other possible reasons are much lower grade:
• His BC shows that he's a bastard. Although this might be personally embarrassing, nobody cares, a goodly fraction of the electorate is in the same boat, or closely related to someone who is.
• His birth name isn't Barak Hussein Obama. So what? We already know his his name changed when he was adopted in Indonesia. People can and do change their names, it isn't a crime, or even particularly shady.
The only question it really raises is why did he chose a muslim name? That's rather easy to explain away - he took his genetic father's name. Who can argue with that? Especially when muslim names had some popularity among blacks who didn't know just how deeply involved muslims were in the slave trade.
• His real birth certificate lists his race as something other than "African". This would be more of a problem. His whole campaign is founded on his being "the first black president" come January. Still not lethal to the campaign, but it would be awkward to 'splain away.
• There is something else embarrassing on his official BC.
Like what?
There could be nothing conceivably embarrassing about:
His time of birth
His birthday
His city of birth
His county of birth
His island of birth
His religion (It's not even listed)
His mother's race
The date it was filed
A few things could be a slightly embarrassing:
The serial number? Maybe? Suppose it's really 151-1961-000666?
His father's name wasn't listed. Not terribly unlikely if he and Stanley Ann split up before he was born. No one cares.
His mother's maiden name. Suppose she really did use her Anna Toot drinkin' ID to get married? Would that really suffice as a reason for someone to risk jail time by falsifying his documents? More to the point, would it disqualify Barak? I don't think so. If anything it could be played for the sympathy vote, young naïve Stanley Ann trying to do her best in covering up the mistakes of her youth. Mother's maiden name listed as Anna Toot? Yawn.
That leaves the big enchilada:
His birth name. Was it really the noble and exotic Barak Hussein Obama II?
Or was it Mortimer Snerdly Toot, hmmmm?
Live that one down!
Google has just recently let out the photos of Obama in the USMC T-Shirt, had to because it was ‘out and exposed’ on the websites.
From my searches I have read that 90% of blacks will vote for Obama. The blacks comprise only 13% of the population.
June 4, 2007 population;
One-third of the people living in the U.S. belong to a minority group.
300 million people living in the U.S.,
200 million are Whites;
40 million are Blacks
44 million are Hispanics
14 million are Asians
1 million are Native Hawaiian and other Pacific Islanders
4 million are American Indian and Alaska Natives
If you will read my post #200, you will find an interesting article on 'The Bradley Effect';
Election cheating and dead voters = unknown quantities
We keep hearing of the large increase in dem registration. Are they taking into account the large numbers of pubs who followed Rush's advice to cross lines and vote for Hillary?
Thanks for your take.
Now onto the other scenario. Suppose Obama was born in Hawaii, in a hospital. Then it shouldn’t be hard to track down certain records right? Like billing records for doctors fees, admission record, nursing attendant record.
Surely chances are some of the nurses that worked that 7:24 pm shift may well be alive today to reveal what type of paperwork was required to fill out by hand and stored somewhere.
Indeed, someone who goes through this much trouble to conceal basic info has a lot to hide, which is more of a reason we need to dig deeper.
On a side note, I’m pretty sure by now the Homeland Security and Secret Service are quite aware of Obama’s background but they won’t do anything since they are only concerned with security and not eligibility. Then again, some of the best leaks do come from insiders sometimes.
Hmmmm, Watergate, Irangate, Birth CertifiGATE.
"WRONGFUL DISCLOSURE OF INDIVIDUALLY IDENTIFIABLE HEALTH INFORMATION
"SEC. 1177. (a) OFFENSE.--A person who knowingly and in violation of this part--
"(1) uses or causes to be used a unique health identifier;
"(2) obtains individually identifiable health information relating to an individual; or
"(3) discloses individually identifiable health information to another person,
shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
"(b) PENALTIES.--A person described in subsection (a) shall--
"(1) be fined not more than $50,000, imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both;
"(2) if the offense is committed under false pretenses, be fined not more than $100,000, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both; and
"(3) if the offense is committed with intent to sell, transfer, or use individually identifiable health information for commercial advantage, personal gain, or malicious harm, be fined not more than $250,000, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both."
I'd go with it falling under subsection (b) paragraph (3)...
Of course you are right and I agree.
I am just suggesting the paper trail exists and somehow it only takes a court order or extraordinary pressure to come to surface.
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