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Posted on 09/22/2005 8:12:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv


Phaistos Disk


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KEYWORDS: crete; epigraphy; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; greece; language; minoans; phaistos; phaistosdisc; phaistosdisk
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1 posted on 09/22/2005 8:12:40 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

Oh, hey, I've got those coasters too! :-P


2 posted on 09/22/2005 8:14:01 AM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Fines for excess bleeding.)
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3 posted on 09/22/2005 8:15:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: LongElegantLegs

Coasters? I've got a bag of cookies like those.


4 posted on 09/22/2005 8:16:15 AM PDT by ladtx ( "Remember your regiment and follow your officers." Captain Charles May, 2d Dragoons, 9 May 1846)
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freerepublic phaistos disk:
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5 posted on 09/22/2005 8:17:53 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: LongElegantLegs
I'm sure they'd also make an attractive design for plates and such. :')

6 posted on 09/22/2005 8:19:06 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv

from the same source as the first image:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc

Attempted decipherment

A great deal of speculation developed around the disc during the 20th century. The Phaistos Disc captured the imagination of amateur archeologists. Alas, some of the more fanciful interpretations of its meaning are living classics of pseudoarchaeology.

Many attempts have been made to decipher the code behind the disc's glyphs. Historically, almost anything has been proposed, including prayers, a narrative or an adventure story, a "psalterion", a call to arms, a board game, and a geometric theorem.

Scholarly attempts at decipherment are thought to be unlikely to succeed unless more examples of the glyphs turn up somewhere, as it is thought that there isn't enough context available for meaningful analysis.

Uniqueness

The uniqueness of this archeological object is contested by at least two other apparently related specimens - a votive double axe found by Spyridon Marinatos in the Arkalohori Cave, Crete, and a fragment of a smaller clay disk, found at Vladikavkaz, North Ossetia. However, the first contains only superficially similar hieroglyphics, and the second, interesting as it might prove, disappeared mysteriously. So far, the Phaistos disk remains a hapax.


7 posted on 09/22/2005 8:20:50 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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Disque de Phaistos search on A9 (nice!):

Disque de Phaistos

8 posted on 09/22/2005 8:22:37 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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A translation under the assumption that the writing conceals Greek:

http://www.kairatos.com.gr/discosfestos1.htm

A totally different translation under the same assumption:

http://www.andiskaulins.com/publications/phaistos/phaistos77.htm

I'm sure some more will turn up.


9 posted on 09/22/2005 8:25:55 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: ladtx

Oops...I HAD a bag of cookies just like those.

Didn't know they were important.

They were kind of stale and bony, though.


10 posted on 09/22/2005 9:51:39 AM PDT by PoorMuttly (A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun -T.Jefferson)
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To: SunkenCiv

Interesting.


11 posted on 09/22/2005 10:18:31 AM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: SunkenCiv

Those mathematicians from one of their secret groups at work again....


12 posted on 09/22/2005 10:31:58 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sigh. This thing is STILL around? I solved the "mystery" years ago, when I took Introduction to Linguistics:

"A one legged Trojan with a parrot on his head walks into a tavern , and asks the serving wench..."


13 posted on 09/22/2005 10:52:58 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The Marching Morons are coming...and they're breeding more Democrats beyond all reason!)
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To: SunkenCiv
There was a disruption of Minoan civilization about 2000 BC, +/-. If you compair the Phaistos stampings to the Luuvian glyphs there are some similarities.

The Minoans traded all over the Eastern Med, an import probably, not at all like Linear A.

14 posted on 09/22/2005 11:13:09 AM PDT by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Little Bill
If you compare the Phaistos stampings to the Luuvian glyphs there are some similarities.

The Minoans traded all over the Eastern Med, an import probably, not at all like Linear A.
Yeah, I agree, an Anatolia origin. Linear A also seems to not be Greek, despite efforts to ram-jam it into that interpretation. Minoan trade went far afield; Minoan art has been found in Egypt, and Egyptian stuff on Crete. Later on, the Mycenaeans took over trade routes from the Minoans.

15 posted on 09/22/2005 12:36:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Little Bill
If you compare the Phaistos stampings to the Luuvian glyphs there are some similarities.

The Minoans traded all over the Eastern Med, an import probably, not at all like Linear A.
Yeah, I agree, an Anatolia origin. Linear A also seems to not be Greek, despite efforts to ram-jam it into that interpretation. Minoan trade went far afield; Minoan art has been found in Egypt, and Egyptian stuff on Crete. Later on, the Mycenaeans took over trade routes from the Minoans.

16 posted on 09/22/2005 12:36:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Little Bill

Sorry, I must have twitched.


17 posted on 09/22/2005 12:37:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: ApplegateRanch; BenLurkin
As an amusement, the author reproduces a letter to The Economist magazine regarding its article on the Phaistos Disk. The letter calls it a century old fraud (the disk, not the magazine) that could be exposed as such using thermoluminescence. [p 298]. The rest of this message is a reprise.
Uncracked Ancient Codes
(Lost Languages reviewed)
by William C. West
Linear A, undeciphered, tantalizes, because about 80 percent of its signs resemble those of Linear B. Its system of numerals seems to be fairly clear: On several tablets, a term for "total" appears at the bottom of a tablet that includes a series of numbers. The numbers add up to the total given, instilling confidence that we understand at least these units. Attempts to show that Linear A represents a known language of the Aegean world, however, have not been successful. All but a few scholars agree that the language of Linear A cannot be Greek, and the idea that it represents a Semitic language has been rejected by nearly everyone. An Anatolian language (perhaps Lycian) remains a possibility... Robinson's descriptions of such analysis, and his accounts of both successful and unsuccessful decoding attempts, are clear, provocative and stimulating.

18 posted on 09/22/2005 12:41:09 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yeah, that's Kaulin's take on it. :')


19 posted on 09/22/2005 12:42:11 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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20 posted on 06/18/2009 5:03:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/__Since Jan 3, 2004__Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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