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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: King Prout

"mostly because I'm poor ;)"

I understand that one!


5,261 posted on 08/23/2005 11:44:38 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NicknamedBob
I tinker with them a bit, but I've learned to not mess around with them too much.

I think that's just good creative instinct talking. If you try to go back and tweak what you write, you can obscure the fire of inspiration that illumined your mind in the first place; you end up transforming inspiration into perspiration. I've rarely been satisfied when I've allowed my editing to go beyond the basic mechanics of English.

5,262 posted on 08/23/2005 11:51:08 AM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: Monkey Face; SandyInSeattle
sion...it has been raining sicne 5:00, and the temp has yet to reach 70...wish you were here.

Wish I were there too. Clouds have rolled so it's a balmy 65, but still no rain.

Looked out the office window yesterday and saw some trees have started to turn. The spiders are getting more active; autumn is coming. Any day now the cedar fronds are going to start turning.

5,263 posted on 08/23/2005 11:51:17 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: HKMk23

Your Personality Coefficient score is 18.

You are perky, chipper, and always ready to help out with advice in a crisis. You will do anything to make your friend's lives easier, but tend not to prioritise tasks well. Most people despise you, as you have absolutely no concept of when to keep your mouth shut.

Sirius Cybernetics Corporation feels that your personality would be ideally suited to being a Shipboard Computer.

Must have answered something incorrectly, 'cuz that's not me...


5,264 posted on 08/23/2005 11:57:10 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

It sounds like you have had your fill of "summer"...you would enjoy it here, today, for sure. There is even a slight breeze, but the rain is still coming down. Softly. Good for a soaking.

I got a letter from redhead today. She says the 'net may be hooked up this week, but they have already had their first rain. She sounds happy. I'll let you know when she is back online, so she can be contacted "just in case."


5,265 posted on 08/23/2005 11:58:21 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: NicknamedBob
Well! That can't be correct. I know exactly when to be quiet. You don't catch me running off at the mouth when there are decisions to be made. I am always the soul of contrition and decorum. It's utterly rediculous to assert that I would be overly voluble or argumentative, I object to this assessment in the strongest terms -- I demand a rematch! You can't treat me this way. Who do they think they are, anyway? Silence in the face of such arrogant effrontery is absolutely inconceivable and ... Oh ....
That's what they said, isn't it?

Yes.

5,266 posted on 08/23/2005 11:58:25 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

Well, at least you're something "useful"...I'm a DOOR of all things! LOL!


5,267 posted on 08/23/2005 11:59:38 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: NicknamedBob

Bob! Don't be so shy. You must really learn to assert yourself! Speak up, Man! Tell us how you really feel!


5,268 posted on 08/23/2005 12:01:50 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Army Air Corps

also, because I have a LOT to learn about:
1. RC
2. servos
3. (possibly) computer controls


5,269 posted on 08/23/2005 12:04:53 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Monkey Face; HKMk23
The Wordwright

“A natural at rhyming,” they said with quiet awe,
As if the effort of the work was just a lucky draw.
The poet grimly sets to task and nails the fabric down.
He stretches it to smooth it; portrays a bit of frown.

The subject matter fights him. He struggles on despite,
And witnesses remark there seems no effort in this wright.
While storms torment his vision, and tempests on him pour,
He delicately sets a bit of shell upon the shore.

The setting must be balanced. He knows it must be so,
But others only notice as the vistas slowly grow.
His struggle is exhausting, and soon to bed must he,
But not before he finishes his latest travesty.

So tempted to destroy it, his stare a rueful stance,
He shrugs and turns away from it without a backward glance.
“Another masterpiece,” they cry, and celebrate each rhyme,
And tearfully, he vows that he will do it right next time.

NicknamedBob . . . . . . . . . . . October 25, 2004

5,270 posted on 08/23/2005 12:18:44 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: King Prout

Wow! You are exploring a lot of new territory all at once. I wish you the best of luck!


5,271 posted on 08/23/2005 12:20:55 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: sionnsar
IMG height=100 src="http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/hitchhikers/sitefurniture/gppbanner.gif"

As in ...

You forgot to add the beginning of the address tag ... http://www.bbc.co.uk

Sometimes you have to right-click the image, grab the properties address, stuff it into a word processor file, and then formulate your posting comment with the bits and pieces.

5,272 posted on 08/23/2005 12:33:17 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: NicknamedBob

Yah. It was a very quick "view selection source" and copy operation.


5,273 posted on 08/23/2005 12:39:19 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: Army Air Corps

I'm dumb like that a lot, though usually such over-reaches involve $$ inexpensive projects...

as in: my current project - making a japanese laminated bamboo longbow.
I'm planing and shaping the individual bamboo slats as I recover from my illness, all the time wondering "Now how the HELL am I going to lay this stuff up during lamination???"


5,274 posted on 08/23/2005 12:42:39 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Monkey Face
I'm a DOOR of all things! LOL!

You'd be surprised about doors, 'Face. Data abstractions of doors can be amazingly complex. One of my committees (access control) has been debating for months about whether a door can be represented by one object (for pass-through in both directions), or two objects (each representing pass-through in one direction), how to divvy up or share elements such as access control lists (which may be different for different directions, at different times, and under different conditions such as life-safety operations including "fire"), and how to represent many other aspects of access-controlled doors such as "anti-passback," "watchman's tour", access logs, timely response, etc. etc. etc.

See? Being a DOOR is not all that simple!

5,275 posted on 08/23/2005 12:48:38 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || (To Libs:) You are failing to celebrate MY diversity || Iran Azadi)
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To: King Prout

I know how Norm Abram would do it. What's wrong with his technique?

Basically, cut the curve you want in a piece of plywood, place the planed strips in the kerf, and clamp. If one piece of plywood is not sufficient, duplicate the cut on additional pieces, and make an assembly.

You might want to use wax paper, aluminum foil, or plastic to keep the glue from sticking to the plywood.


5,276 posted on 08/23/2005 12:52:15 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: NicknamedBob; Conspiracy Guy

Aha---you're one too!! CG - have you taken the test yet?


5,277 posted on 08/23/2005 12:58:25 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: sionnsar
Wow. HOW YA LIKE ME NOW????
5,278 posted on 08/23/2005 12:59:07 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Hi Heels

You shipboard computer you!!


5,279 posted on 08/23/2005 12:59:58 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Fitness is a journey not a destination.)
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To: HKMk23
GPP=16

A 16?? Whatever that means.....LOL! Thanks. :-)
5,280 posted on 08/23/2005 1:04:47 PM PDT by EsmeraldaA
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