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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Darksheare
...the bear walked behind him.

When I caught up with him and the rest of my aresenal, I explained what happened and we all had a good laugh. He took the news with mixed feelings: disappointment that he missed the only bear off the whole trip, and relief that he didn't see it because he'd have freaked out.

2,501 posted on 08/12/2005 5:25:37 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
"...It wouldn't be bad at all, except that the people making it don't have blenders or anyway of grinding fresh corn other then the old fashion way..."

Um...I think I'll pass. I've heard about that stuff, and while it packs a wallop, I would hope that the fermentation kills off the "undesirable" parts of the grinding, and processing.

GAH! *thunk*
2,502 posted on 08/12/2005 5:26:12 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face
I went and looked at a cute little [940 sq ft] 2 bed, 2 bath "manufactured home"

"Little"? That's close to twice the size of the first house the goodwife and I had (2 bed, 1 bath, no closets because there was no room), and shared for 6 months with a friend in need.

2,503 posted on 08/12/2005 5:27:24 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: sionnsar

I think my first apartment must have been about 200 sq ft, but I was in love, so who the he** cared?

Now, however, I have my computer, my files, my books, DVD's, videos, more books, paintings (real) etc...

I'm living in 600 sq ft now, but it has exactly TWO (2) windows. I'm dying in the darkness...needless to say, I'm looking forward to moving into something brighter.


2,504 posted on 08/12/2005 5:32:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

Thanks for the tip on imageshack; I just might give them a whirl, though my bro has a webserver in Milpitas and he's offered to let me have web space there.

It's back burner, right now, because I have a major decision in the works involving the potential acquisition of an established retail business. That deal hasn't gelled, so I really can't get specific but, if it goes down, it'll involve moving lots of money around AND moving all the way across the country.


2,505 posted on 08/12/2005 5:33:44 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: Monkey Face
You hold your breath and chug. And then you try very hard not to think about it. Come to think of it there are a lot of things I have eaten where I did that.

Gah! about covers it.

2,506 posted on 08/12/2005 5:37:11 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: HKMk23

Image shack is free...that's why I use it. And it's easy, which makes me feel like I'm the QUEEN! LOL!


2,507 posted on 08/12/2005 5:37:53 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Ohno. If it has lumps or slick spots, I'll throw up for sure.


2,508 posted on 08/12/2005 5:38:39 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: tuliptree76; NicknamedBob; King Prout
Thanks for the welcome. Wish the whole gang could have come along; the Yosemite Valley would make an idyllic setting for a castle.

Hmmm. Maybe we could get with management and arrange some kind of mass FReeper confab somewhere. You know, a big event, planned well in advance, everyone invited, maybe take over an entire National Park or major resort. [sound of several large electric generators switching on-stream as synaptic energy demands spike]

Atlanta? Vegas? Yellowstone? Mars? 8O)

2,509 posted on 08/12/2005 5:39:49 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT this sweLl tagline oN eBay qith changE I fond in meye soFa. It's a "fixer.")
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To: Monkey Face
There was a lot about the country that I liked, and the people that I met were very nice to me.
Perhaps that was because I tried so hard to learn their language. However, in doing so, I learned that a lot of English words have Germanic roots.

Learning their language is most always a winner, and has saved me in most circumstances on Germany where somebody didn't know English. (I've already told the story of my big failure, so I won't repeat it.)

And you're correct, English is strongly rooted in (earlier) German; add some Latin (the Romance languages) and you've got most of it.

Gaelic has a few contributions too. The British word "smashing", meaning "good", comes from Gaelic "'S math sin!", pronounced "ss-MAH-Sheen", direct translation "That is good" in the sense of "That has the inherent attribute of being good."

Don't ask me about the (rock?) group named "Smashing Pumpkins." I smell a bilingual jest.

2,510 posted on 08/12/2005 5:45:06 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Trad-Ang Ping: I read the dreck so you don't have to || Iran Azadi)
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To: HKMk23

I think they just did a Vegas thing. I wanted to go but my daughter (who lives there) was in between houses so I couldn't go...however, I think if given enough time to plan, we could go almost anywhere. I could even check with the National Forest Service to see what is available in AZ...don't know about any other state...


2,511 posted on 08/12/2005 5:46:18 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: SandyInSeattle
"...isopropyl alcohol ...which comes from isoprops."

Close. It's one form of propanol, which is based on propane, or the propyl name of carbon linking.

Like ... methane, propane, butane, pentane, hexane. (not necessarily in order.)

In like manner you have methanol, propanol, and similar names based on the number of carbon atoms in the molecule.

2,512 posted on 08/12/2005 5:46:46 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Monkey Face
Mea culpa.

I didn't leave it for four days. I figured if it hadn't made a difference in 2 days, well,....

Ahhh! Now you've challenged me...I'll buy some coke tomorrow, and let you know the results by Thursday.

Deal?

:-)
2,513 posted on 08/12/2005 5:49:38 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: NicknamedBob
You are a veritable fountain of chemical knowledge.


2,514 posted on 08/12/2005 5:49:47 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: sionnsar

Most of the Germans I met spoke English and at the time, it was required in school, so I always had help. If I was stuck with a word or a meaning, I was gently corrected. And one woman told me, "We all speak English, but we want you to speak German. When we come to America, we will speak American." And they made a distinction between "English" and "American"...

A lot of times, the only differences between the American and German words was the spelling: bier - beer; baer - bear, or the pronunciation.


2,515 posted on 08/12/2005 5:52:35 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: fanfan

LOL!

Please! Do that! I won't even buy the stuff because I think it is not only over-priced, but it tastes terrible!


2,516 posted on 08/12/2005 5:54:14 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: HKMk23
"...but where does one come by a family sized can of CCl4 these days?"

Oh, but you can't! That's one of those NASTY things that is KILLING our planet!

Actually, it's just plain old garden (or actually swamp) variety methane, with the hydrogen atoms replaced by chlorine atoms, CH4 becomes CCl4.

2,517 posted on 08/12/2005 5:55:33 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: NicknamedBob; HKMk23
More about Methane

http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/methane/methane.html

This "...the hydrogen atoms replaced by chlorine atoms, CH4 becomes CCl4."

... should have been this ..."the hydrogen atoms replaced by chlorine atoms, CH4 becomes CCl4.

2,518 posted on 08/12/2005 6:10:46 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Hi AAC. I'm not sure what you said...and the online translator doesn't seem to make sense of it.


2,519 posted on 08/12/2005 6:16:24 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: SandyInSeattle
"You are a veritable fountain of chemical knowledge."

Thanks. I know you meant that as a compliment, but ...

... only chemical?

2,520 posted on 08/12/2005 6:17:26 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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