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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Darksheare; Darkchylde

Nice to see you again, Darkchylde!


2,401 posted on 08/12/2005 2:38:12 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: tiamat
Yoda I appear to be.

Which Fantasy/SciFi Character Are You?

Actually if asked I would say I am most like Mel Fisher of Firefly or Methos of Highlander.

2,402 posted on 08/12/2005 2:41:44 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (When I walk into Sanctuary the band plays "Sweet Home Alabama")
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To: HKMk23

Nice view.

Bear passed behind him.. LOL!


2,403 posted on 08/12/2005 2:45:42 PM PDT by Darksheare (Small furry woodland creature falls to vorpal blade, film at eleven!)
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To: HKMk23

That is a very beautiful photo...thanks for all the neat info, too. ;o]


2,404 posted on 08/12/2005 2:49:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Tax-chick

She will be back later tonight.
Probably while I myself am comatose..


2,405 posted on 08/12/2005 2:50:47 PM PDT by Darksheare (Small furry woodland creature falls to vorpal blade, film at eleven!)
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To: Monkey Face; Darksheare

That's an "SE" (Somebody Else's) photo, BTW. Mine aren't back from the developer, yet. Even when they get back, I don't have a website to post them, but I'm working on it.


2,406 posted on 08/12/2005 2:57:44 PM PDT by HKMk23 (GoT tHis sweLl tagline oN eBay qith chngE I fond in meye soFa)
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To: HKMk23

AH.
Understood.

Still, the bear walked behind him...


2,407 posted on 08/12/2005 3:01:01 PM PDT by Darksheare (Small furry woodland creature falls to vorpal blade, film at eleven!)
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To: HKMk23

I use http://www.imageshack.us/ for mine. I like it because it's easy. ;o]


2,408 posted on 08/12/2005 3:02:27 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: HKMk23

Welcome back!


2,409 posted on 08/12/2005 3:13:06 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Monkey Face; Darksheare; Harmless Teddy Bear; Tax-chick; Dead Corpse; Darkchylde; NicknamedBob; ...

Good afternoon, everyone.


2,410 posted on 08/12/2005 3:15:47 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

buenas tardes, chiquita


2,411 posted on 08/12/2005 3:18:24 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: HKMk23

beaYOO-ti-full!


2,412 posted on 08/12/2005 3:20:10 PM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

Thank you, Your Majesty.

*curtsies*


2,413 posted on 08/12/2005 3:23:49 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Monkey Face; King Prout; Darksheare; tuliptree76; Darkchylde; international american
"The heart of a poet is always a good heart."

Where did you come up with that bit of nonsense?

2,414 posted on 08/12/2005 3:33:58 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Darksheare; Darkchylde; scott0347; airborne; sionnsar; Fedora; tiamat; Harmless Teddy Bear; ...

Water



1. 79% of Americans are chronically dehydrated, and it likely applies to half of the world population.

2. In 37% of Americans, the thirst mechanism is so weak that it is often mistaken for hunger.

3. Even MILD dehydration will slow down one’s metabolism as much as 3%.

4. One glass of water shuts down midnight hunger pangs for almost 100% of the dieters studied in a U-Washington study.

5. Lack of water is the #1 trigger for daytime fatigue.

6. Preliminary research indicates that 8-10 glasses of water a day could significantly ease back and joint pain for up to 80% of sufferers.

7. A mere 2% drop in body water can trigger fuzzy short-term memory, trouble with basic math, and difficulty focusing on the computer screen or on a printed page.

8. Drinking 5 glasses of water daily decreases the risk of colon cancer by 45%, plus it can slash the risk of breast cancer by 79%, and one is 50% less likely to develop bladder cancer.

9. Are you drinking the amount of water you should every day?

*****

Coke

*****

1. In many states in the USA, the highway patrol carries two gallons of Coke in the trunk to remove blood from the highway after a car accident.

2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of coke and it will be gone two days.

3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet bowl and let “the real thing” sit for one hour, and then flush clean. The citric acid in Coke removes stains from the vitreous china.

4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers: Rub the bumper with a crumpled-up piece of Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil dipped in Coca-Cola.

5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour a can of Coca-Cola over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion.

6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Apply a cloth soaked in Coca-Cola to the rusted bolt for several minutes.

7. To bake a moist ham: Empty a can of Coca-Cola into the baking pan, wrap the ham in aluminum foil, and bake. Thirty minutes before the ham is finished, remove the foil, allowing the drippings to mix with the coke for delicious brown gravy.

8. To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of coke into a load of greasy clothes, add detergent and run through a regular cycle. The Coca-Cola will help loosen grease stains. It will also clean road haze from your windshield.

*****

FYI

*****

1. The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its Ph is 2.8. It will dissolve a nail in about four days.

2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial truck must use the Hazardous Material place cards reserved for highly corrosive materials.

3. The distributors of coke have been using it to clean the engines of their trucks for about 20 years.

4. Vendors at state fairs add coke to their onions and green peppers. It doesn’t affect the taste, but it creates the wonderful aromas you smell.


NOW. Would you rather have a glass of water or a Coca-Cola?






2,415 posted on 08/12/2005 3:35:28 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Monkey Face

I'd rather have a glass of wine.

But that's very interesting information. Maybe I'll buy a 2-liter of Coke (would generic work? diet?) to finish cleaning the garage floor. We'll get ants if it has sugar in it!


2,416 posted on 08/12/2005 3:37:39 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Liberals: Too stupid to realize Dick Cheney is the real Dark Lord.)
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To: Monkey Face

I'm drinking a nice cold glass of water right now! Good stuff.

Thanks for the tip about the toilet.


2,417 posted on 08/12/2005 3:37:39 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: NicknamedBob

"Where did you come up with that bit of nonsense?"

I dunno...musta been sumpthin' I read...summ'ers...


2,418 posted on 08/12/2005 3:38:10 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Why did kamikaze pilots wear helmets?)
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To: Tax-chick
"I'd rather have a glass of wine."


2,419 posted on 08/12/2005 3:39:50 PM PDT by airborne
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To: Tax-chick

Get original Coca-Cola, spread it out, let it sit, scrub, then clean water rinse. Without rinsing, you will get ants.


2,420 posted on 08/12/2005 3:40:01 PM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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