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Evolution Disclaimer Supported
The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^ | 12/11/02 | WILL SENTELL

Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J

By WILL SENTELL

wsentell@theadvocate.com

Capitol news bureau

High school biology textbooks would include a disclaimer that evolution is only a theory under a change approved Tuesday by a committee of the state's top school board.

If the disclaimer wins final approval, it would apparently make Louisiana just the second state in the nation with such a provision. The other is Alabama, which is the model for the disclaimer backers want in Louisiana.

Alabama approved its policy six or seven years ago after extensive controversy that included questions over the religious overtones of the issue.

The change approved Tuesday requires Louisiana education officials to check on details for getting publishers to add the disclaimer to biology textbooks.

It won approval in the board's Student and School Standards/ Instruction Committee after a sometimes contentious session.

"I don't believe I evolved from some primate," said Jim Stafford, a board member from Monroe. Stafford said evolution should be offered as a theory, not fact.

Whether the proposal will win approval by the full state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education on Thursday is unclear.

Paul Pastorek of New Orleans, president of the board, said he will oppose the addition.

"I am not prepared to go back to the Dark Ages," Pastorek said.

"I don't think state boards should dictate editorial content of school textbooks," he said. "We shouldn't be involved with that."

Donna Contois of Metairie, chairwoman of the committee that approved the change, said afterward she could not say whether it will win approval by the full board.

The disclaimer under consideration says the theory of evolution "still leaves many unanswered questions about the origin of life.

"Study hard and keep an open mind," it says. "Someday you may contribute to the theories of how living things appeared on earth."

Backers say the addition would be inserted in the front of biology textbooks used by students in grades 9-12, possibly next fall.

The issue surfaced when a committee of the board prepared to approve dozens of textbooks used by both public and nonpublic schools. The list was recommended by a separate panel that reviews textbooks every seven years.

A handful of citizens, one armed with a copy of Charles Darwin's "Origin of the Species," complained that biology textbooks used now are one-sided in promoting evolution uncritically and are riddled with factual errors.

"If we give them all the facts to make up their mind, we have educated them," Darrell White of Baton Rouge said of students. "Otherwise we have indoctrinated them."

Darwin wrote that individuals with certain characteristics enjoy an edge over their peers and life forms developed gradually millions of years ago.

Backers bristled at suggestions that they favor the teaching of creationism, which says that life began about 6,000 years ago in a process described in the Bible's Book of Genesis.

White said he is the father of seven children, including a 10th-grader at a public high school in Baton Rouge.

He said he reviewed 21 science textbooks for use by middle and high school students. White called Darwin's book "racist and sexist" and said students are entitled to know more about controversy that swirls around the theory.

"If nothing else, put a disclaimer in the front of the textbooks," White said.

John Oller Jr., a professor at the University of Louisiana-Lafayette, also criticized the accuracy of science textbooks under review. Oller said he was appearing on behalf of the Louisiana Family Forum, a Christian lobbying group.

Oller said the state should force publishers to offer alternatives, correct mistakes in textbooks and fill in gaps in science teachings. "We are talking about major falsehoods that should be addressed," he said.

Linda Johnson of Plaquemine, a member of the board, said she supports the change. Johnson said the new message of evolution "will encourage students to go after the facts."


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KEYWORDS: crevolist; evolution; rades
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To: viaveritasvita
I'm seriously asking: Where is evolution supposed to be taking us? It's my understanding that we are supposedly "evolving" to a higher state physically and in our behavior. If this is a correct (albeit elementary) explanation of evolution, then what is the ultimate end?

I'm seriously answering: Your entire question presupposes claims not in evidence. "Evolving" has nothing to do with "higher" or "lower", just different; comparing and contrasting a crow with a crocus would elucidate the point. There is no "end," ultimate or otherwise. (If it's not ultimate, it isn't the end.) Evolutionary theory is about process, not about "ends" or "higher" or "lower."

2,361 posted on 01/02/2003 9:12:25 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: gore3000
Do you really believe that eveyone opposed to you is a communist?

Are you the reincarnation of John Iselin?

How old do you think the world is?
2,362 posted on 01/02/2003 9:17:56 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: gore3000
Gravity proposes the pulling of a smaller mass towards a greater mass, this is observed on a daily basis by every human being on earth.

Are you sure that gravity does not propose the pulling of a greater mass to a smaller mass?

2,363 posted on 01/02/2003 9:19:17 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Condorman
How about a response to post 1922?-you-

Are you sure you want a response to it?-me-

Barring the "age of the earth" question I can't think of a time you've been reluctant to express an opinion. By all means respond.

Okay. In post# 1922 you said:

Okay, okay. Look, I did not deliberately lie. Your post DOES highlight a fairly significant lapse in reading comprehension, but my statement was not an intentional falsehood. Fair enough?

I ignored the above out of kindness, and gave you a chance to likewise ignore it again when you asked me to answer. So you are forcing me to speak my mind.

I ignored it because I could not accept your apology. If you had said that when I first pointed out that the title of the article and the words immediately preceding those you quoted completely refuted your claim, I could have accepted it. However when you denied it again after it had explicitly been pointed out to you that your claim was false, I cannot truly believe that you had made a mistake in good faith.

2,364 posted on 01/02/2003 9:21:02 PM PST by gore3000
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Let's see: 2326 posts and the opposition admits not knowing the most elementary definition of the subjuct under discussion.

Isn't it rich?
Isn't it queer?
Losing my timing this late
in my career?
And where are the clowns?
There ought to be clowns.
Well, maybe next year...
2,365 posted on 01/02/2003 9:22:28 PM PST by js1138
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To: B. Rabbit
Blackhole rabbit in wonderland...

body snatchers---

whirlpools...

Only lead foil can save us now...

if you don't want your brain/family sterilized---

the shield between state and TALIBAN--religion(evolution/atheism/TYRANNY) is gone...

this is... chernobyl---radiation(evo lies) poisoning...

NUCLEAR SOCIAL----ALIEN ANTARTICA/AMERICA!!

2,366 posted on 01/02/2003 9:23:21 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: whattajoke
"and Nostradamus and Revelations hold weight in your world as well, I guess. how about Miss Cleo? Sheesh."

Please supply some context for this remark. I'm not sure where you're going here. Meanwhile I can tell you for certain that Nostradamus and Miss Cleo do not hold weight in my world.

Thanks.

2,367 posted on 01/02/2003 9:27:54 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Doctor Stochastic
The score so far: After 2326 posts, viaveritasvita admits not knowing the definition of evolution. After 1346 posts, gore3k admits not knowing the definition of gravity.

We don't need to ban things from public schools. Knowledge seem to be banned de facto.

2,368 posted on 01/02/2003 9:31:56 PM PST by js1138
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To: atlaw
"I don't think there's much divine mystery behind early observations that the body is mostly water."

Which came first? The ancient writing that man is made mostly of water, or the scientific observation of the same? A mummy, of all things, gives little evidence of water.

2,369 posted on 01/02/2003 9:32:07 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Doctor Stochastic
doctor drywall---plaster...

Quiy trying to interpret God---creation---science with your sick perverted/twisted dead soul...mind!

You can not limit God/creation to your dumb thinking...

God doesn't count on His fingers---your calender/date book!

Everything new would have age---history...even descendents.


You think you can interpret God with your stupidity---blidness--ego?

The Earth is old as God wanted/made it!

God isn't going to operate by your terms---expectations...dumb retarded ideas!

spackle science...nail pounders/hacks!
2,370 posted on 01/02/2003 9:32:57 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: B. Rabbit
Intelligent Design and Multiple Universes are not the competing theories here.

They certainly are. According to scientists (even to such an atheist as Hawkings) they are the only possibilities. You yourself seem to reject the theory of multiple universes so the only possibility then is Intelligent design.

Now it might be true that the above does not tell us who the designer was. However, it does disprove materialistic atheism. Your attempt to pit one religion against another to claim all are false does not work. That there is a designer tell us that at least one religion is correct and that there is a Creator to which we owe respect to.

2,371 posted on 01/02/2003 9:33:36 PM PST by gore3000
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To: js1138
The essence of evolution is morphing...spin--flip---slop---flop!
2,372 posted on 01/02/2003 9:36:18 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Thank you so very much for all the information on Kolmogorov and Vil'yams! I couldn't find additional information regarding the incidents online at first blush, but I'll try again later because it is very interesting.
2,373 posted on 01/02/2003 9:38:11 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"Evolving" has nothing to do with "higher" or "lower", just different;

You mean that man (and all other specie) did not evolve from bacteria? Are you denying that higher more complex species arose from lower, less complex species? Is that what you are saying? Are you so desperate in proving your theory true that you are willing to make it utterly meaningless?

2,374 posted on 01/02/2003 9:38:16 PM PST by gore3000
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To: tpaine
" . . . separation of church and state . . . "

So you want to justify the absence of any creationist teaching in public schools on the basis of "separation of church and state," right?

In the first place, how is it that the state can co-opt the right to teach my children? Did the state give me my children? No. I entrust my children to the state with the hope than can apply the same common sense my forefathers had when they understood and thoroughly defended the fact that our existence and our rights come from GOD.

2,375 posted on 01/02/2003 9:40:32 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Gravity proposes the pulling of a smaller mass towards a greater mass, this is observed on a daily basis by every human being on earth.-me-

Are you sure that gravity does not propose the pulling of a greater mass to a smaller mass?

Are you showing your ignorance again or your dishonesty?

2,376 posted on 01/02/2003 9:41:31 PM PST by gore3000
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To: gore3000
They certainly are. According to scientists (even to such an atheist as Hawkings) they are the only possibilities. You yourself seem to reject the theory of multiple universes so the only possibility then is Intelligent design. Now it might be true that the above does not tell us who the designer was. However, it does disprove materialistic atheism. Your attempt to pit one religion against another to claim all are false does not work. That there is a designer tell us that at least one religion is correct and that there is a Creator to which we owe respect to.

I'm sorry you saw it that way. It is possible I was not clear. I will concede that I was wrong (go figure) and say that perhaps ID and multiple universes are competing theories. What you continue to ignore is my question to you that asks if you will concede that neither theory (multiple universes and religion) have any scientific evidence. Hard evidence, not assumptions deduced from order.

2,377 posted on 01/02/2003 9:42:40 PM PST by B. Rabbit
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To: longshadow
Only G3k could manage to mangle the reality of Ted getting banned in yet another incarnation after having been banned for his misbehavior as "medved" and turn it into some sort of Evolutionary conspiratorial pogram.

All you are doing is showing your dishonesty. The constant badgering of evolutionists prior to this banning and to othe bannings shows quite well you are a bunch of thugs who wish to silence opposing views.

2,378 posted on 01/02/2003 9:43:59 PM PST by gore3000
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To: viaveritasvita
If I may, I'd like to add a few Scripture quotes to magnify these points you made at #2323:

Why couldn't God make things more obvious? ... Because there is something valuable, something holy in the struggle. We are given sufficient evidence, not coercive evidence.

Matthew 13:10-13 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

And in John 10:24-27 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


2,379 posted on 01/02/2003 9:47:22 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Do you really believe that eveyone opposed to you is a communist?

Nope. However, that Communism and Evolutionism share the same materialistic/atheistic world view is undeniable. Further, that evolution gave scientific credibility to Marxism's program is also undeniable. The similarities between Nazism and evolution are just as profound if not more so.

2,380 posted on 01/02/2003 9:47:34 PM PST by gore3000
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