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Evolution Disclaimer Supported
The Advocate (Baton Rouge) ^
| 12/11/02
| WILL SENTELL
Posted on 12/11/2002 6:28:08 AM PST by A2J
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posted on
12/11/2002 6:28:09 AM PST
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A2J
To: A2J
More creationist BS. In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?
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posted on
12/11/2002 7:09:20 AM PST
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Soliton
To: balrog666; Condorman; *crevo_list; general_re; Gumlegs; jennyp; longshadow; PatrickHenry; ...
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posted on
12/11/2002 7:12:05 AM PST
by
Junior
To: Soliton
Man has come a long way in the few thousands years the universe has existed. /sarcasm off
To: Junior
Atari 2600 marker (Pong!).
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posted on
12/11/2002 7:25:22 AM PST
by
balrog666
To: A2J
YEC bump for later
To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
Probably duplicating a lot of junior's ping list, but I guess that's unavoidable.
[This ping list for the evolution -- not creationism -- side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. If you want to be included, or dropped, let me know.]
A very few links from the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).
From Scientific American: 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense.
01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
The foregoing is just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated Creationism vs. Evolution threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review:
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 19].
To: A2J
...still leaves many unanswered questions about the origin of life. One cannot argue against this statement if it is taten out of context, nor can anyone deny that textbooks are riddled with errors. My son's advanced biology teacher gave up trying to find a decent textbook and wrote his own. Everyone in the class passed the AP exam, so he couldn't have been a complete fraud.
The biggest threat to teaching is not creationists, but the socialized, centralized textbook purchasing systems of the public schools.
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posted on
12/11/2002 8:22:15 AM PST
by
js1138
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To: Soliton
What is the problem? There will be a sentence in the front of the book stating that evolution is a theory, which of course, it is.
If, in another 20 years we'll be able to create life from "scratch" using amino acids, it will STILL have nothing to do with the Theory of evolution.
Also, I would like to see you create life from "scratch" using amino acids by FIRST creating the amino acids, etc.
You sound mightily impressed with yourself. There will come a time when you'll see some objective truth to having a Creator. Whether you discard the notion at that time is your choice, of course.
I'd choose wisely.
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To: js1138
If the issue is really errors in textbooks, why does the disclaimer single out evolution? Is anyone still fooled by all the smoke and mirrors?
Same old witch doctors.
To: VadeRetro
If the issue is really errors in textbooks, why does the disclaimer single out evolution? I hear you, but I was kind of hoping for the elimination of printed text books. It would be cheaper to issue interactive CDs in HTML format, even if you had to distribute Web-TV units to the computer-deprived.
Textbooks are always at the mercy of politics and social trends. My fourth grade health book had rules for what time of day to use the bathroom.
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posted on
12/11/2002 9:07:08 AM PST
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js1138
To: ImaGraftedBranch
Also, I would like to see you create life from "scratch" using amino acids by FIRST creating the amino acids, etc.No problem creating amino acids from scratch. Decades old technology available to high school kids.
You sound mightily impressed with yourself. There will come a time when you'll see some objective truth to having a Creator. Whether you discard the notion at that time is your choice, of course.
Sounds like a threat. Does your God punish people for asking questions?
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posted on
12/11/2002 9:11:55 AM PST
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js1138
To: A2J
The South is so progressive.
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posted on
12/11/2002 9:15:14 AM PST
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stanz
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To: Soliton
In another 20 years we'll be able to create life from scratch using amino acids. Where will the cretionist arguments go then?Noplace. They'll smugly trot out the same old pointless "you-get-your-own-dirt" parable.
The evolutionist version goes like this:
A bunch of scientists figured out all the secrets of life. They said to God, "We don't need you anymore. We can do all of this ourselves."
And God said, " ."
So the men said, "You want to see us to make a man out of dirt? We can do it, you know."
God said, " ."
The men said, "Hello, is anybody there?"
And God said, " ."
Eventually one of the scientists suggested they stop wasting their time, and they went back to their labs to get some work done.
To: stanz
The main problem with this topic, is that so many people enter the subject with a particular bias, one way or the other.
I do not claim to be an expert on the subject, but read extensively both sides of the subject, and at this point in my like, Behe and Dembski make the most logical sense, since the evidence on side of the evolutionary apologists consists of speculation, and conjecture, at best.
To: Physicist
I ran across this statement in a piece not long ago, and I wonder if you'd care to comment.
"No scientific theory has ever explained all the phenomena that fall within its domain."
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posted on
12/11/2002 9:39:50 AM PST
by
forsnax5
To: matthew_the_brain
"I do not claim to be an expert on the subject, but read extensively both sides of the subject, and at this point in my like, Behe and Dembski make the most logical sense, since the evidence on side of the evolutionary apologists consists of speculation, and conjecture, at best."
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Time to read a little more. By my count, there is one bible and perhaps 100 quirky little creationist books from tiny publishing houses and about 10 large release books by hacks like Dembski and Behe. Stack that up against the THOUSANDS of books by scientists, 10's of thousands of journal articles by scientists, and thousands more textbooks by scientists that support evolution. If you make the effort, you will find your supposition of "speculation and conjecture" to ring rather hollow. Happy reading!
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