Posted on 12/08/2002 4:40:39 PM PST by B4Ranch
The majority of the replies to the original Can You Change America were repeated complaints about what our elected officials did, did not do, should do, or could do to clear up the nations illegal alien problem. This was well known history by amongst all of us. The solutions that were shared with us frequently rely on these same elected officials to aid us in the remedy.
1. An immediate moratorium on immigration waivers and new applications in the pipeline until major changes are made and the system re-vamped. (Intelligent)
2. Dismantle the welfare state, place restrictions on requirements to the Emergency Room srevices at our hospitals. (Necessary)
3. Cut off welfae payments to immigrants who haven't worked a ceartin amount of quaters and paid into the tax system. (Clever variation)
4. Pass law that landlords must check for documents before renting or selling , most now check credit, employment, etc. (Thoughtful)
5. Implement substantial fines (and revocation of tax incentives, if applicable) for employers who don't take reasonable steps to ensure they are hiring citizens. (Current unenforced law)
6. Place a bounty on each illegal (identified, turned in, and captured, not a " wanted dead or alive") (I like it)
7. Implement substantial fines (and revocation of tax incentives, if applicable) for employers who don't take reasonable steps to ensure they are hiring citizens. (I love it)
8. March on Washington. (Can be expensive for anyone who doesn't live in the area.)
9. Run for a state senate seat or state assembly seat. Can be done rather easily. yes, winning will take a lot of work but not a whole lot of money
10. Change the constitution so that kids born to illegal are not automatically citizens. (Good Luck)
11. In the federal election to be held on the first Tuesday of February, 2005, no person shall be allowed to vote unless they have proved their U.S. citizenship by providing an American passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers to the registrar. (Good idea)
I guess my question is; What makes you continue to think that our leadership is going to aid in the dismantling of programs that they put in place. None of these programs came solely from the Democrats, nor were they solely supported by Democrats? More and more Republicans are walking to the left of center when it comes to these "undocumented migrants".
President Bush is refusing to discuss his policies with the voters on this subject. I think that he is holding off on implementing amnesty until the war with Iraq is finished or at least solidly underway. He could be afraid that we, the people will revolt by withdrawing our support for the war if he slams the door in our face refusing to acknowledge our opinions on illegal immigrants, immigration numbers, open borders, welfare policies, etc. The Enhanced Border Security Act of 2001 was a farce.
We have an environment where "personal responsibility" are dirty words.We can preserve our country. Fight political correctness mind control. Do not celebrate diversity when it means turning a blind eye to immorality, laziness, etc.
So, once again I will promote going against standard procedure and suggest that we the people show our independence by:
Forming local groups of 20 or more and going to every city and county council meeting protesting that our local law enforcement is not enforcing our local businessmen to obey INS hiring laws.
Asking for meetings with the local Chief of Police and the local Sheriff. Request information on local illegal alien crime statistics. Ask for law enforcement costs of illegal aliens. Ask for reports of INS non-cooperation and, of course, cooperation. Attempt to obtain historic records going back two decades. Don't accept six month waiting periods. Thirty days is sufficient for anything to be done in small cities.
Do not use any "immigration" name of this group. Example, call yourselves, " The Taxpayers of 'LOCAL NAME". It's difficult to call "Taxpayers of Jackson County" a racist title because every employed person in the County is a taxpayer. This will allow all political party members to feel welcome to join your group. Explain that the purpose of the group is to free the city and county of illegal alien law breakers and that you are attempting to get the local officials to enforce all of the laws , not selectively enforce those that will allow them to be re-elected.
Don't allow elected or appointed officials to direct the meeting into discussing one ethnic group. We are not attempting to deport just illegal Somalians or Hatians. Yes, the illegal Mexicans get most of the media coverage but you should not allow yourself to succumb to racist ideals. because you are attempting to erradicate all illegal alien lawbreakers from your communities. Stress this point at every meeting. Don't call Muslims, ragheads, Mexicans, wetbacks or any other derogatory name. This can only lead to failure on your part.
Ask to view the Oath of Office of each elected official in the city and county. Then design an award to be given to those who are upholding their Oaths of Office. Invite the press, make as large an affair out of it as possible.
Design a website. List local businesses that are hiring illegal aliens. Display a prominent post that you pass along all information in letters that give evidence of someone living or working in your community who is an illegal alien from any country in the world. Specifically suggest that people do not give their names unless they are willing to testify under oath before city and county boards.
Get on the local radio talk show as often as possible. If the owners, managers agree with us, then ask for a break in advertizing your website.
Hold marches in front of local companies that hire illegal aliens.
Stress the costs to your community of illegal aliens to every elected or appointed official and at every public meeting you speak at, every radio show that you can get a voice on.
Explain that we cannot absorb and adjust to this invasion. We cannot continue to take millions of un-educated and un-healthy migrants at the rate we now are. We must be able to screen these people and absorb them at a rate that does not create chaos.
Find someone who is unemployed and compare that person to an illegal alien in your community who is making a decent wage. Ask him/her if she would do that job for a lower wage. Perhaps just one dollar per hour less. Get on the radio with that person. Let them tell their story. we have 6% of our population currently unemployed! Are you one of these people?
We must advocate adherence to the limitations placed upon government by the Constitution, and we must do so by holding politicians accountable, both in terms of elections and in public relations, when they demonstrate their contempt for the Constitution.
It's what political movement is all about, and we have the best incentives, motives, and ideas behind us.
Do you have questions about the Immigration and Nationality Act? Look at the INS web page for answers.
I've been stalkin' you for years now, Willie!!
'Cuz I LOATHE yer sleazy ways, you Traitor!!
Ya know my Cause shall never fail, Slick Willie!!
Justice fer Treason...Yer MUD's Bitch, Bill Clinton!!
RE-Impeach...Convict Slick!!
RE-Impeach...Dethrone Him!!
Bill, no more shall you walk around FRee, Willie!!
You know MUD's got the best thing in town now baby.
Right's got all the proof of Treason, Willie!!
Bring your lovin' straight to me now baby.
RE-Impeach...Convict Slick!!
RE-Impeach...Dethrone Him!!
RE-Impeach...De-Pension!!
RE-Impeach...INDICT SLICK!!
(solo)
RE-Impeach...Imprison!!
RE-Impeach...Fer Treason!!
Bill, we're gonna FReep you like the Queen you are...
Sing you sweet songs from MUD's TobackkyBar!!
MUD's got tricks he ain't never used.
Give in, WillieClinton, you shall be abused!!
I've been stalkin' you for years now, Willie!!
'Cuz I LOATHE yer sleazy ways, you Traitor!!
Ya know my Cause shall never fail, Slick Willie!!
Justice fer Treason...Yer MUD's Bitch, Bill Clinton!!
RE-Impeach...Convict Slick!!
RE-Impeach...Dethrone Him!!
RE-Impeach...De-Pension!!
RE-Impeach...INDICT SLICK!!
FReep!! FReep!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...MUD
Felling the TyrantThug BillClinton--politically, legally, and constitutionally--is something we MUST endeavor to accomplish!! 'Cuz to accept the Evil that is so rampant in Bill Clinton's character and his Administration is to accept--and condone--Tyranny!!!
RE-IMPEACH. CONVICT. DETHRONE.
DISBAR. DE-PENSION. DE-LEGITIMIZE.
INDICT. CONVICT. IMPRISON. DISCARD KEY.
5/15/02...I still think we've got to drive the stake in the Clinton years by having a National Debate on how our ex-POTUS is a Liar, Felon, Rapist, Murder-Conspirin', Mass-Murderin' Traitor and Abuser of Power and whether he deserves to live out the remainder of his years as a free man with US pickin' up the tab!! How can we maintain a straight face as we scold these third-world nations for their "human rights abuses" when America doesn't have the GUTS to hold anybody accountable for Waco and the Slaughter of Kosovar Serbs?! Dubyuh's gotta unLeash Justice (aka John Ashcroft) and Take to the Offensive vis a vis the ClintonCrimes and the Increasingly-Omnipotent Federal Leviathan!!
'Tis the Right's Destiny...MUD
This is why I believe any REAL change in our immigration policies is going to come from 3rd parties. It certainly won't happen in the Republicrat Party. That party was married with K-Street money many years ago.
The bums currently in power have to be removed from power before anything constructive can be done. What that will take I have no idea. But something will come along. I don't think America is going to go quietly into the night.
1. An immediate moratorium on immigration waivers and new applications in the pipeline until major changes are made and the system re-vamped. (Intelligent)
Not going to happen.
2. Dismantle the welfare state, place restrictions on requirements to the Emergency Room srevices [sic] at our hospitals. (Necessary)
On first point, a hearty yes. On second point -- does that mean non-citizens would not get ER service? I trust it doesn't, because that would be, well, rather inhuman.
3. Cut off welfae [sic] payments to immigrants who haven't worked a ceartin [sic] amount of quaters [sic] and paid into the tax system. (Clever variation)
To legal immigrants? Hmm... perhaps. I can see both sides of this coin, and I agree, it is a clever idea, as it provides an incentive to work.
4. Pass law that landlords must check for documents before renting or selling , most now check credit, employment, etc. (Thoughtful)
No thanks. A.) There are plenty of shady landlords who'd evade the requirement. B.) There are too many landlords, who will check them to make sure they are enforcing this? C.) I don't like turning landlords into unpaid civil servants, (or paid ones either, for that matter.)
5. Implement substantial fines (and revocation of tax incentives, if applicable) for employers who don't take reasonable steps to ensure they are hiring citizens. (Current unenforced law)
I could jump on board this one.
6. Place a bounty on each illegal (identified, turned in, and captured, not a " wanted dead or alive") (I like it)
Um.... no thanks. Just what we need, bounty hunters poking through the latin quarter of every town? Ick, no thanks. We don't need scummy people "enforcing" our laws to their own profit. While not everyone who did this would be scummy, face it, it appeals to desperate people who want to make quick money. They won't work to find illegals the hard way, they'll just try to find the easiest mark to nail.
Alternate: Bounty on employers who hire illegals. More likely to attract harder working individuals, including legit bounty hunters and PIs, former police officers, and etc.... More effective and efficient. After all 90% of illegals are here for one of two reasons -- to work, or to mooch. So you find them at the trough or the workplace.
7. Implement substantial fines (and revocation of tax incentives, if applicable) for employers who don't take reasonable steps to ensure they are hiring citizens. (I love it)
This is the same as #5. This is the same as #5.
Sorry couldn't help myself.
8. March on Washington. (Can be expensive for anyone who doesn't live in the area.)
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. This is what liberals and whackos do. Isn't working for them, isn't going to work for us. No thanks.
9. Run for a state senate seat or state assembly seat. Can be done rather easily. yes, winning will take a lot of work but not a whole lot of money
Hear that sound? That's me laughing. It's a lot harder than it seems. You know why you need pro politicians like we have now? Because when normal people end up up there they end up getting screwed in the first 5 minutes. Politics is a serious business. The odds of a neophyte getting elected on a one issue platform like immigration are about 900 to 1.
10. Change the constitution so that kids born to illegal are not automatically citizens. (Good Luck)
Nope, not gonna happen, and I don't really want it to, but that is just me I guess.
11. In the federal election to be held on the first Tuesday of February, 2005, no person shall be allowed to vote unless they have proved their U.S. citizenship by providing an American passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers to the registrar. (Good idea)
I agree. Immigrants, illegal or otherwise, should not be able to vote. However, you had better expand that US Citizenship proof to something more than that list. My Grandfather was born in the 1920s, and he had none of those documents. He was born in OK, where birth registry was not required until the later 1930s.
One important thing: Fact is, Illegals perform many necessary functions within the economy, such as agricultural work. And there are too many to ever deport. Some way of legalizing and documenting those who are essential to the economy, and who are neither welfare mooches or criminals -- other than entry and presence, I mean killers & theives here -- is going to be required. There needs to be a functioning guest worker program for agriculture, because I can tell you this, you will never get the "naturalized" populace back in the fields again. Amnesty may not be the best route, I agree. But I haven't heard anyone else bring up a better idea for what to do about the illegal populations who are not otherwise a burden, except to "deport them", which is the most unworkable of ideas....
Remember the Laffer Curve? It's a basic tennent of conservative tax policy. If taxes are too high, compliance is almost 10%, because people evade it. If Taxes are low enough, revenue jumps because compliance approaches 90%+, since it is too much work to bother cheating.
Apply this to illegal immigration. If a system of immigration and a system for guest workers is easy enough to use, (rather than being punitive,) then people will not run around it, because there will be no incentive.
Another idea I don't see here: no driver's liscences for immigrants who cannot prove legal status.
The remainder of your points, I find a number of faults with, on various fronts. Making a populist move that swamps police chiefs and city councils and such will accomplish nothing, except to raise enough ruckus to make the local news program as being "the Immigration hotheads who showed up at City Hall today. And for tomorrows story, the Lesbian Rights Acitivist march on City Hall...." Marches on city halls are a waste of good time.
The key is employers, and state legislatures. No jobs with legal entry = no more illegal entry problem. Note that this does not mean no immigrants working the 7-11 or the strawberry fields; rather, it means, no illegal immigrants working in those places.
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