Posted on 07/31/2010 9:37:35 PM PDT by Polarik
What evidence do you have to support your position that
Polarik is an agent of the left?
Holy Crap! Be still my heart!
Only thing that fits. His real expertise is focus groups and statistics, the bread and butter of a campaingn trickster.
The other thing that fits is a straight up nut cum scammer.
They learned from Rathergate that’s for sure.
What I would like to know is this:
Why bring up the COLB issue again here? Why this thread?
What I know is this: The COLB is ultimately unimportant. Why? Because it is what is BEHIND the colb that is the main issue. If people are talking about the COLB, they aren’t talking about what it is CONCEALING. What the COLB is concealing is what is important.
I know it is concealing two things for certain:
1) It is concealing his full birth records. Hawaii doesn’t even recognize its OWN COLB as sufficient identification to be used in verifying “Native Hawaiian Status”. You have to have a long form for that. Thousands of babies got Hawaiian documents who were born “at home” and don’t have ANY long form information, yet got Hawaiian papers and thereby got US Citizenship. Now that is either Fraud on a large scale - an attempt to apply for and get more welfare dollars for the state for poor kids from the federal Government on the part of the State of Hawaii, something they would want to keep under TIGHT wraps for obvious reasons. As I said, its either fraud on a huge scale, or it was an innocent loophole that the state just never discovered... Uh hua. right. I have no proof of that, but sometimes a brown cow is a brown cow, even when someone swears its a WHITE cow. Hawaii would NOT want to have to admit that there are literally thousands of “Hawaiian” COLB bearers who got US citizenship who were born overseas to parents who WERE NOT CITIZENS of the United States. The state likely would want to keep that as far out of the public sight as it could possibly be. Golly, you don’t think Obama used that fact against Hawaii as LEVERAGE do you? Nah, no hard-ball Chicago Politician coming out of the machine politics of Chicago would do that.... (rolls eyes)
2) People are discussing the COLB instead of the fact he was born a subject of the Nation of Great Britain. For this reason alone, barring everything else, he could never have been a Natural Born Citizen no matter WHERE he was born. Kenya, Great Britain, in the lap of Lincoln’s statue in Washington DC. Shoot he could have been born in Lincoln’s bed in the White House and it would not have mattered. He was Born British. If he happened to be born in Hawaii, which on the face of it is looking more than a little doubtful at this point, that would be his ONLY legitimate claim to US citizenship at all. Not Natural Born Citizen Status, because he can never be a Natural Born Citizen. BUT... if he was born in Hawaii, then he is at least a citizen. Stanley Ann could not have passed her citizenship onto him if he were born anywhere else, BY LAW, because of her age at the time.
Now we have Stanley Ann’s passport information, which conveniently is missing the Original Application. Why would an under 20 girl need a passport unless she were going to be traveling outside the United States? Was it on a 3 yr renewal? Was it on a 5 year Renewal? We know because of the fact the first document is a renewal that she had a passport in the time frame her son was born. Why would she need one? Certainly not to go to Hawaii. She would not have needed one to go to Canada either. You could cross the border in those days with out a passport. Easily.
Now, lets ask ourselves, who benefits on keeping the spotlight on the COLB and whether the FactCheck Document is a forgery?
Who benefits from keeping the information behind the COLB sealed and secret.
Who is Polarik connected to? Phil Berg. Who is Berg? A democrat supporter of Hillary Clinton. When did Polarik join FR? June 22, 2008. Golly, isn’t that the time frame that the COLB became front and center. Did he join specifically to push that issue?
This is his first post at FR:
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“To: RushingWater
Take a look at my blog post that started people questioning the validity of that image: Click here. If you read my original post, and then the last one I’ve posted today, you might just change your mind.
72 posted on 06/22/2008 5:51:14 PM PDT by Polarik (The Greater Evil)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2034830/posts?page=72#72
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Polarik joined FR the same day he made that post, he joined to push this issue. He pimped his own posts on Townhall, which was the subject of his second post.
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“To: mamelukesabre
If you read the additional analyses I made today (polarik.townhall.com), the only conclusion that can be reached is that the images posted on the “Daily Kos” and “Fight the Smears” are altered images, and not, in any way, true reproductions of a genuine document.
Assuming, of course, that Patricia Decosta’s image is a true reproduction, which it is, given the compelling evidence that validates it, such as embossed seals, signatures, true fold marks, etc.
If you or anyone can find more plausible reasons for all of the differences found between Obama’s image and Decosta’s image, I’d like to hear them.
However, I sincerely doubt I will, for not only are the images on these websites manufactured, they even differ from each other (check the corners of the borders).
The fact that there are so many others who have also found these differences tend to reinforce the conclusion.
Which is, to repeat, that these images are manufactured.
All we need now is to hear an admission of same.
82 posted on Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:40:10 PM by Polarik (The Greater Evil)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2034830/posts?page=82#82
I believe this link will lead to the very first posts made by Polarik: http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:polarik/index?more=55490905
Here is a link to the TownHall posts he was blog pimping:
http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/default.aspx
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Polarik has from day 1 been pushing the issue of the COLB. How its a fraud. Ok, he may well be 100% correct that it is a fraud. Honestly, the fraud started long before Obama ran for POTUS, the Il. Senate, or even went to college. It started at the time he was born. The COLB beiung fake keeps a fake COLB in the spotlight, which in the year plus its been known, has done nothing to prevent an usurper from taking office.
BUT... it has conveniently become a source of ridicule (IE Birthers) which discredits the issue in the minds of the public at large and the press. Polarik has been part of keeping the COLB in the spotlight. Ultimately the COLB is NOT the main issue. The main issue has always been what the COLB hides by creating an atmosphere ripe for ridicule. It hides British Citizenship, and possible welfare fraud and Identification fraud on the part of the State of Hawaii.
Now, in light of this... Polarik’s motivations MUST be called into questions. I made a mistake and admitted to it. So its not about me. I took my lumps for it.
WHY make the COLB an issue again, when it isn’t the MAIN issue? Why make me a target again? Why stir up any of this again?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Excuse me, but I did read the entire thread. I do know the context and what I’m talking about. Why the snide put down? You have your point of view and others have theirs. I gather that you believe that the issue of the COLB being a forgery is less important than what you prefer to focus upon. Others believe otherwise. I also get that you don’t like or respect the author of the post. We’re all entitled to our opinions. Or aren’t we?
There is more going on in the background through FReep mails. The first I knew of this issue, was through Polarik. Not MestaMachine. Mesta knows the whole story from me. I talked to her about it when it was happening a year ago. Our conclusion then was that Polarik was not what he seemed, but he disappeared off the boards, and never responded to the emails I sent him off of FR. Mesta knows something is fishy with Polarik because she knows that he is lying when he said it all got resolved. It never did. He disappeared. Thats not resolution. And now he is back implying that I an a fraud again, even though I admitted my mistake in public. He has sent me the first few emails we exchanged, with me stating my belief (totally incorrect) that I had a colb with a date of 2007 when it should have been 2000 (repeat, I was completely wrong, the 2007 COLB was exactly that, a 2007 COLB, and I posted the receipts from HDOH which proved I had screwed up 100%... Royally screwedup!) - almost as if he is threatening to keep that mistake front and center, as if I never admitted I had screwed up....
Mesta is calling him out on that, and the fact he refuses to answer some basic and simple questions.
It is a game of cat and mouse. I don’t know what Polarik is doing, but I do know he is pushing the COLB Fraud issue again. What his motivations are, I do not know, and can’t even hazard as guess about. All I know is that the Fake COLB is the issue he joined FR on and what his first posts here were regarding. It has been his raison d’etra from the start.
“Some men just wanna watch the world burn.” - Said in my best Michael Caine impersonation.
Another possibility is that to Polarik, this is just an intellectual exercise in how people come to absorb information and what they believe to be true based on their preconceptions and desires. And in this experiment, FR is just a big Skinner box to him and Freepers are just a bunch of rats to be rewarded or punished as the experimenter sees fit.
It's possible.
Its certainly plausible!
We might just be lab-rats for Polarik. Who knows?
I had actually considered that based on some rather extensive research into statements he made on other forums having nothing to do with THIS subject. That is a totally plausible explanation.
Your comments are always excellent. They cut right through the crap.
Everything is possible, but the facts (empirical data, to some people) certainly suggests that the screwing is for-profit. You can chat with the self-appointed expert on personal needs for $2 a minute.
On the other hand, it's all so stupidly done - including the skinnerboxing - that it also indicates a twilighted loon.
Ask yourself what side this has helped and what side has been dealt almost a death blow because of it.
BUT:
I started out as a fan of polarik too. I defended him. Graphics can be very deceiving, but so can people. I watched him on this forum begin calling anyone who questioned him vile names, so over the top, I had to step back a bit and start paying attention and did the research for myself.
Who was he? Where did he come from?
He started calling almost everything a fake and a forgery. Even some that clearly were not and had NO REASON to be. That was not normal behavior, but what floored me, was that no matter HOW outrageous his claims got, everyone still believed him. No one questioned it at all. It got weird. If he disagreed with someone, anyone, well, you see the outrageous things he said to me. He did that to everyone and his “army” piled on like a shark feeding frenzy.
Danae was a fan of his too. She tried to help him when he sent out a call to his ping list for an original HI COLB. Danae was born in HI. I had bever crossed her path before. Didn’t know her, had never posted to her. She posted a vanity to try and help him. She scanned her OWN COLB and posted it for him.
He then sent his ping list freepmail that Danae’s scanned COLB was a forgery and that she was an obot in league with his “enemies” and was deliberately trying to pass off a FORGED document to make a fool of him and all the rest of us. He even freepmailed Jim accusing Danae of being a leftist plant.
When I got that, I went all the way back through Danae’s posts, as far back as I could.
There was not ONE shred of evidence that she was a leftist or a liberal or anything else accept a good conservative who had been posting here for years...long before polarik came here, long before me.
THEN, I went looking for DR. Polarik, PhD. And I found him. I found him everywhere. I found him on almost every forum on the net being just as outrageous to THOSE posters as he was here. He got himself banned from quite a few. But it didn’t stop there. Once I found Polland, with NO input from anyone else, I found him all over the place yet again.
He was a “love” doctor. An “expert” in internet relations. He was an “expert” in marketing. He was an “expert” in statistics. He was an “expert” in doing surveys. He was an “expert” in automobile performance. He was an “expert” in electronics like DVD players. He was an “expert” at researching school programs and traffic light placements.
He tried to start a consulting firm online with NO personell, and NO clients he could mention, said he had skilled people from all over the world working for him and it was a lie. It ailed massively. He reinvented it out of a server in California. The domain is now up for sale.
He had a profile on Facebook where he advertised himself as a relationship “expert” inviting people to ask him questions about their personal lives.
He joined Fan forums of television shows.
Not one time ever did he even mention that he was a graphics “expert.”
He wrote personal articles to a Florida online news site praising Bill Clinton and bashing George Bush calling George Bush immoral.
He was an expert in everything you could imagine EXCEPT imaging and imaging techniques. I found some advice he have on a forum to someone doing a survey telling them how to word the thing to skew the results to what they wanted to prove.
So I wondered how in the world he ended up here. He joined up with Berg. Berg is a Hillary critter and 9/11 truther. So how did Polland hook up with Berg? He PUSHED this forgery thing and spammed the entire length and breadth of the net with it.
They came up with this forgery thing and pushed it as far as they could until it was time to put up in court. Everything he did and SWORE to would NEVER have stood up in court, so he “OUTTED” HIMSELF so he wouldn’t go to court and blamed other people who had been his supporters. He threw a lot of people under the bus to save his own butt. Then he tried to sell himself to WND and anyone else that would keep him in the spotlight. They finally washed their hands of him too and of course HE was the victim. He wears it too well.
He turned on everybody because he is a liar and a fraud and he was busted.
It was never meant to go to court. If he had, he would have been arrested on the spot for perjury and false swearing.
But all of his machinations had so badly poisoned the well, that no reputable person would touch it.
He accused Danae of FORGING her own COLB. He managed to turn the whole thing on the date stamp which was totally irrelevant. The document was genuine. He produced “images” which he said PROVED that her COLB was a forgery and it wasn’t, but that made no difference because he had managed to turn it into somethng it wasn’t. He blew it and he blew it badly. Then he made himself out to be the victim and skulked off into the night...which is exactly what he is doing now.
Suddenly he is back. And suddenly everything that he ever attacked anybody for questioning is all gone because now there is a NEW final answer, far different from the LAST final answer...and he claims to be writing a book.
HE STARTED the fraud that he “exposed” and now he has committed another fraud to compound his original fraud and he is using Free Republic to promote it...and himself. There is more. Beyond that, he is a straight up pathological liar who absolutely can not be trusted. I have proof, Candor. But see, he has personal information, very personal information, from someone who trusted him, and I fear that he will use it if he gets backed too far into a corner that he would scorch the earth out of vindictiveness. That is the kind of person he is.
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Danae, I can’t answer your questions about Polarik. I’m not here to defend him. He seems to defend himself well enough, and as he sees fit. I don’t know about Berg or Clinton. I’d like to hear his defense against those allegations.
I can hazard a guess that perhaps he began weighing in on this in June 2008 because that’s when the COLB appeared. It’s when a LOT of us started weighing in everywhere because it was like waving a red flag in front of a bull. That image was so obviously bogus and when the media did not agree with the sheer ridiculousness of posting a digital image on a website, supposedly as PROOF of eligibility, many of us felt compelled to do everything in our power to say, “Hey, wait a minute. Could you at least investigate this?”
My beef has always and ever been with the complicit media and now that they’ve been outed via their little JournoList, we can see how this all went down.
THAT massive conspiracy between left-wing media, politicians, “think tanks”, academia, etc., imho, is FAR MORE important than Obama because even if you expose and oust him, the machine will still exist. Can and will just set up another candidate. Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
It might be that Polarik presses the issue because he’s writing a book. He can answer for himself. And I’d like to hear him answer. Truly. You are perfectly right to ask questions.
I agree that what Obama conceals is far more important than that image at FactCheck. It’s a forgery and I think for this reason: Hawaiian law states that an amended birth certificate must indicate the fact that it was amended. He doesn’t want anyone to know that it was amended because he doesn’t want to answer the logical questions that would follow. Which would reveal everything he’s been concealing.
I get that you believe that people are falling into a trap. I think that people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds about whether or not they’re being used. While it may be frustrating for you to watch, people have the right to make their own mistakes. That’s what freedom and self-determination is all about.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame those who try to discredit the COLB for the very existence of the attacks on “birthers”. They would have demonized ANYBODY who opposed Obama, for any reason. Limbaugh and Beck do their thing. Nobody knows WHY they don’t address this subject. There could be many factors. Maybe they know something we don’t know. Like the true story. Tucker Carlson, for one, suggested once that he does know something. He said it’s not fair to hold Obama accountable for the “mistakes” of his parents. If they know what we don’t, and since they can’t predict how the truth will play out, whether it will work to the advantage of those they support instead of work against them, maybe that’s why they won’t go there.
I do also vaguely remember the gist of your tiff with Polarik. You made a mistake about a document, which you admitted to and apologized for. He said your document was not real. At the time, I disagreed with him. I didn’t think he proved his case. Without wasting a lot of time going back and reading it all again, imho, it’s water under the bridge. I’ve been reading this thread from the get go. I don’t think Polarik is the one who made you “a target” again. Someone else was pushing that issue. I don’t know why.
Polarik; you have a chance here to set the record straight by answering the post #137, so that we can move on and focus on the larger issue, the removal of the criminal usurper!!!
Huh???? (As in, what’s that you said? I’m a little deaf.)
Sorry. I couldn’t resist, El Sordo. Aren’t we all, sometimes? A little deaf, I mean.
Sure. Opine away, No worries, mate.
Believe me, it has occured to me that POlarik would use the information I sent him in good faith against me.
Once he started spouting that I was a fraud, it REALLY occured to me. Mostly because he took a legitimate COLB and treated it like it was a forgery and went about “Proving it” which ONLY called his credibility into account once I recognized and admitted my mistake. He was right that it wasn’t a 2000 COLB. He was wrong to state that the thing was a forgery. It wasn’t and isn’t. Its a 2007 COLB. He has NEVER EVER acknowledged this fundamental error, he has never apologized for the insane attacks he leveled upon me.
He told me that he was actually really hoping it was a 2007 document so he could compare like years. Well it actually IS what he said he wanted, a 2007 Document.
Only there is a problem for Polarik he can’t admit to with out throwing any credibility he has left out the window. The State of Hawaii has THREE printers it uses to create COLB’s for those requesting them. There will be three potentially different variations created for any one COLB because there are three different machines in the State Offices which create them. He has only ever come from the assumption (incorrect assumption) that there is only one.
Regardless, he still called a real COLB a fraud. This means that hardly a thing he says about COLB’s can be trusted, because he thinks the real thing is a fraud. With that sort of logic, you can’t state that ANY document from the State of Hawaii that is a COLB is legitimate.
Polarik never even recognized to me or anyone I know of, that I had admitted my own mistake in thinking that my 2007 COLB was really printed in 2000 and that somehow the State of Hawaii had misdone the date on the back.
He NEVER acknowledged that fact in any way shape or form. As far as I know, his statements that I am a fraud and a leftist plant still stand, because he NEVER took them back.
Personally, I think the man owes me an apology.
Polarik has some things to answer for, and it surrounds his treatment of me. MestaMachine knows and knew the whole story, and she believes that Polarik is not what he seems, and is not being either honest or forthright. I happen to agree. Because I know and suffered through the whole history of it, that this person is not to be trusted. He might be right, but that does not mean he should be trusted. A broken clock is right twice a day, but that doesn’t mean you should trust it every other second of the day.
I pretty much see everything that Polarik posts as questionable. Mostly because of his treatment of me, and his actions/lack of action in the past. I don’t think anyone at FR should trust him. Take what he says with a shaker of salt, because he WILL throw anyone under the bus to make himself “right”. I happen to be the proof it it. Thats why MestaMachine brought it up. I think she is right to have done so.
Sometimes the enemy of my enemy is NOT my friend. I question the man’s motivations. He is too willing to make unsubstantiated claims and slaughter the reputation of anyone who gets in his way in achieving his goals. I didn’t deserve the treatment I got from him. I legitimately started with the intent to offer information and to HELP.
When I found I was wrong I admitted it.
Did Polarik ever admit he was wrong to say my COLB was a Fraud?
No he NEVER did.
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